T.s.sirtalis genetics question

[snakeman]

Looks like a northwestern garter.They have all kinds of weird colors.I once saw a pic of underneath a board.There was 5 northwestern garters and every one was a different color.

[adamanteus]

Looks like a northwestern garter.They have all kinds of weird colors.I once saw a pic of underneath a board.There was 5 northwestern garters and every one was a different color.

Yes, it does look like T.ordinoides, doesn't it. But I think it was wild-caught in NYS, wasn't it?

[infernalis]

I wish I knew where it came from, I was googling GS images, and it was one of them.

Handsome little devil!

Cheers,
Wayne

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Looks like a northwestern garter.They have all kinds of weird colors.I once saw a pic of underneath a board.There was 5 northwestern garters and every one was a different color.

Yes, this guy looks like an ordinoides for sure! But to be sure you should do the scale row, and supra- and infra-labial scale counts.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I have heard of a scaleless wandering that was found a few years back here in Salt Lake City. a friend of mine ( a division of wildlife services officer) had talked to a friend that found it and had also seen it....really odd looking snakes!!! I have seen a pic of another scaleless snakes years ago, don't remember what species it was...think it was a water snake