ID without picture ???

[sschind]

OK, this probably won't work but I am going to give it a shot. I was at my wholesalers today looking at a very nice trio of Oregon red spots that he won't sell me and he showed me something else that came in with them. The snake was about 18-24" long. It had keeled scales It was a solid uniform brown with a single rusty orange red stripe running down the entire length of its back. I didn't ask but they were were WC so I am assuming that this one was caught in the same area as the red spots. I didn't have my camera and I don't know if he has one or not. otold one of his employees about this site so he said he was going to try to get a picture of it and post it.

I fugured that since you people were so good at this you might not need the picture. So how about it. Anyon from the Northwest have any ideas. All my field guides are eastern so I haven't had a chance to check them out yet.

thanks

Steve

[Stefan-A]

I bet it's an ordinoides. The species has a lot of color variation, even for a garter. I made a collage of 12 different naturally occurring morphs for a powerpoint presentation last year and there were still plenty that I couldn't find room for. One of them was uniform brown, but with a single red stripe.

[Sid]

Even without a photo I'm betting with Stefan on this. North Western.

[Odie]

Even without a photo I'm betting with Stefan on this. North Western.

Sounds about right to me

[Snaky]

I will let this to the pro's

[sschind]

Yeah, I checked out an Audobon guide book and figured that is what it was. The picture in the book showed the snake with two lateral stripes as well as the dorsal one and the color was a bit off but I figured it was a variation.

Thanks everyone, I knew I could count on you.

[adamanteus]

A bit late, I know.... but I thought T. ordinoides before I finished reading the post!

[Odie]

Still want/need a pic

[sschind]

I'll work on it.

[enigma200316]

pics are the law here so get'em up asap............lol