Northern or Eastern - differences?

[kueluck]

What is the differences between Norther and Eastern Garters? Are there any? I've tried to search this out on the web but I can't seem to find any answers. There's a on-line place called Backwater Reptiles that has Northern hatchlings for sale and I'm debating on ordering one. I e-mailed to find out if the are w/c or c/b, I really don't want a w/c due to health issues. Any input would be appreciated.

[Natrix]

What is the differences between Norther and Eastern Garters? Are there any? I've tried to search this out on the web but I can't seem to find any answers. There's a on-line place called Backwater Reptiles that has Northern hatchlings for sale and I'm debating on ordering one. I e-mailed to find out if the are w/c or c/b, I really don't want a w/c due to health issues. Any input would be appreciated.

Just waiting for the Gregmonsta onslaught, He is going to love this one

[guidofatherof5]

There is no such animal as a Northern garter snake. That's just mislabeling by the sellers and in most situations they don't care if the animal is label wrong.
I've tried to get a hold of a number of sellers and they don't return phone messages.

[Natrix]

North western Garter Snake Thamnophis ordinoides
Eastern Garter Snake Thamnophis Sirtalis

[kibakiba]

I doubt it's a northwestern, it's probably a mislabling.

[Stefan-A]

Northern Garter Snakes do not exist.

[gregmonsta]

Northern Garter Snakes do not exist.

... that's the spirit!!!

P.S. - when are we getting a 'love' button?

[guidofatherof5]

... that's the spirit!!!

P.S. - when are we getting a 'love' button?

Not to be confused with the easy button but I guest in some situations they may be the same.

[EasternGirl]

Easterns are actually Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis. Northern garters fall in with the spotty garters, and golden garters...lol. (In other words, yeah...they don't exist).

[kueluck]

WOW, you guys are AWESOME..........well here's the web-site........have at em' Garter Snake for Sale I e-mailed about w/c or c/b and he said that nobody breeds these and all are w/c. Guess I can take this site off my fav list. I've e-mail the guy in Raleigh, but he has not responded to my inquires. All I want is a male normal Eastern Garter, nothin' fancy. I've checked several sites but just nothing available. And if I DO come across one, my concern is also with shipping live creatures, it just can't be good for them.