Snakely Speaking

[brain]

So Steve you have seen allot of “radix” right. I read (Wikipedia) that there were two subspecies of the T.r radix & T.r. haydeni, and the one of them was dropped, T.r radix, due to the minor distinction of scales.
My question is this... what scales are they looking at and can you see the difference.

[guidofatherof5]

So Steve you have seen allot of “radix” right. I read (Wikipedia) that there were two subspecies of the T.r radix & T.r. haydeni, and the one of them was dropped, T.r radix, due to the minor distinction of scales.
My question is this... what scales are they looking at and can you see the difference.

Sorry Michael, not a clue

[brain]

OK must be a be very minor seperation.

[ConcinusMan]

So Steve you have seen allot of “radix” right. I read (Wikipedia) that there were two subspecies of the T.r radix & T.r. haydeni, and the one of them was dropped, T.r radix, due to the minor distinction of scales.
My question is this... what scales are they looking at and can you see the difference.

What are talking about? I'm not seeing any subspecies on wikipedia. I've never heard of there ever being any ssp. of T. radix.

EDIT: oh shoot. I found it. Huh, never heard of that. But the article does say "with the T. r. haydeni said to have cleaner markings and more ventral and neck scales."

There's your answer.

[guidofatherof5]

I found a little info Michael.
Plains Garter Snake (Thamnophis radix) - gartersnake.info

This is from "The Garter Snakes Evolution and Ecology" by
Douglas A. Rossman
Neil B. Ford, and Richard A. Seigel
Page 237-238

[brain]

I found a little info Michael.
Plains Garter Snake (Thamnophis radix) - gartersnake.info

This is from "The Garter Snakes Evolution and Ecology" by
Douglas A. Rossman
Neil B. Ford, and Richard A. Seigel
Page 237-238

So in order to know or see the difference I need to count scales ... I will just say they are T. radix and if corrected on what I see then I will say "Ok T.r.radix, to close for me to tell the two apart.
I was just curious if you have ever noticed the difference.
Thanks for the info.

[guidofatherof5]

Colubrid (col·u·brid )
A snake belonging to the family Colubridae. The common snakes, including King Snakes, Rat Snakes, Garter Snakes, Indigo Snakes, etc. The vast majority of these snakes are harmless to humans, but there also exists a subfamily of Colubrid snakes, the Boigid snakes, which are rear-fanged and venomous. The venom ranges in toxicity level from mild to extremely toxic. A gland called the Duvernoy's Gland produces the venom of these snakes.

Cloaca (kloh-ey-kuh )
The common terminal chamber for the intestinal and urogenital systems. Urinary and intestinal wastes collect here before passing out of the body. Eggs pass out of the oviduct through the cloaca when being laid. The cloaca terminates at an opening named the vent.

Diurnal (di·ur·nal)
Active during the day.

Duvernoy's Gland (DU ver noy)
Named after Georges Louis Duvernoy
A modified saliva gland that produces a type of venom in Colubrid snakes, varying in toxicity from very mild to extremely toxic depending on species.

[EasternGirl]

So...if I have two female Easterns...I would write....0.2 T.sirtalis.sirtalis....like that?

What other snakes give live birth?

[kibakiba]

Yeah, the first number would be any males, second number is females, and third is undetermined.
You could even say T.s. sirtalis if you wanted to.

[EasternGirl]

And what kinds of snakes besides garters give live birth?