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    Re: Question about heating pads and winter time

    Quote Originally Posted by brain View Post
    In regards to heating is there any science backing “this must have heat lamp” propaganda.
    Well, the science in this context would be that they do seek out the best available temperature, depending on their needs, in the wild. But sure, the possibility of a good compromise isn't excluded. However, the lack of a heat gradient should also increase the risk of dehydration and heat stroke.

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    Re: Question about heating pads and winter time

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan-A View Post
    However, the lack of a heat gradient should also increase the risk of dehydration and heat stroke.
    Point taken. As with living things water is important. So I do keep that offer in all my habitats. TY
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    Re: Question about heating pads and winter time

    Quote Originally Posted by dekaybrown View Post
    My perception on thermo-regulation is as follows.

    Even we thermo-regulate in a way, even though mammals are warm blooded.

    When we feel hot we seek shade, when we feel cold we seek warmth.

    Same concept applies to the snakes, regulation of body temperature.

    It is far more crucial to a cold blooded creature than a warm blooded one.

    Now if we find a comfortable temperature, do we not stay put?

    At night, the temperatures outside dip by a wide margin, so the snakes cool down. In the morning when the sun comes out, the snakes will bask in the AM sun to bring their own body temperatures up to reach the comfort zone they desire.

    When the sun gets too hot, they will seek shade to cool back down.

    Why not just keep it comfortable all the time?

    My own personal collection of Thamnophis has been thriving and doing well without the use of gradients, as have several other members who are more experienced than I am.

    If there is any data that proves conclusively that no gradients is detrimental to the animals health, please be so kind as to point the way so I can view it, and perhaps change my way of thinking.
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    Re: Question about heating pads and winter time

    Yes, My tropical Cyclophiops Major (Limon) has "Ground heat" and requires misting of his cage.

    When he feels the need, I have seen him go down low to the substrate, he spends a lot of time up high, and I ALWAYS make sure his water bowl has plenty of water in it.

    Well, they all get a fresh water change daily.

    The Python, Pueblan and Savannah monitor are all closest to the heat radiators (I despise forced air heat, and will never use it) the Garters, Dekayi snakes and eastern milks are located the furthest from the heat radiators.

    Everyone has been fine.

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