Without further ado... Achromatic!

[Tommytradix]

Calm down? Im calm and im aware of all the names people come up with but that's not what im talking about. The black and white looks to be axanthic and that's what it should be called. It looks like the name achromatic is gonna stick, another garter morph wrongly labeled, good job guys. Keep up the good work

im calling it axanthic cause every axanthic ive seen besides the 'blue axanthic radix' has been b&w which is what I know axanthics to be and seeing as ill be selling a lot in spring that's what im labeling them as and mine didn't originate from mark. steve had them and sold one to rickymar81 and ive been sending him females and his females have been producing and ive been buying every litter since last year. my high red female is het and I have hets that are also het for albino so I may produce a new designer morph which would need a name based on its appearance. im thinking a new form of blizzard but you never know.....

[Eddie]

I have a green garter and my kids call her Olive Oyl. Well, blow me down! Aghaghagha

[Dan72]

You didn't purchase them from Mark, true. But they did originate from Mark.
Someone had made a comment on the Facebook group that these had/have popped up in litters before and to their best recollection been found in the wild before. All of that could/is true, but until now they have not been made available to the hobby as they will be soon and that too will originate back to Mark. Just giving credit where it's due. IMO, which I don't really see any argument around.

[Zdravko092368]

I have a green garter and my kids call her Olive Oyl. Well, blow me down! Aghaghagha

We need photos of those babies from the green pairing, I hope they colour up green.

[Albert Clark]

The b/w axanthics /achromatics are a beautiful phenotype. Whatever is decided on the appropriate classification the snake is a nice addition to any collection.

[Tommytradix]

You didn't purchase them from Mark, true. But they did originate from Mark.
Someone had made a comment on the Facebook group that these had/have popped up in litters before and to their best recollection been found in the wild before. All of that could/is true, but until now they have not been made available to the hobby as they will be soon and that too will originate back to Mark. Just giving credit where it's due. IMO, which I don't really see any argument around.

I want to hear steves thoughts on this. he at one point had them in his care. its hard for me to believe that his b&w axanthics are not the same as the ones mark produced

[guidofatherof5]

Mark found this morph in Nebr.
My female(normal) that produced my B/W was from Council Bluffs Iowa and the albino male that bred her was from Riverton Iowa. Mark found a completely different strain.

[Jeff B]

On the one hand I agree with Joe in the technical sense that this is actually a true axanthic by purist definition, clearly has the yellow pigments removed. As Joe pointed out is very clearly demonstrated in the photo with normal siblings. This is the first garter with a recessive gene that has been demonstrated to only remove yellow, without altering the melanins or other pigments and is truly deserving of the definition/name axanthic.
On the other hand if Mark wants to call it achromatic that is his choice I guess.
Personally, for radix I would rather see this gene called axanthic and what we now call axanthics called blue axanthic (though I have been calling them that for years anyway) and what we call anery be called black axanthic (sorry Joe not ready to call them melanistic because they aren't solid patternless black).
The ball pythons have a black axanthic and is similar.
Just my two cents but to each there own.
BTW- awesome snakes Mark and Dan, congratulations on proving them out. They may be found from different location than Steves, but they look pretty much the same to me. I would guess they would be compatible too. Great work. Personally I would be interested in crossing with the blue axanthic and the black axanthic, especially the black axanthic to see if compatible which I doubt they would be but the combo might be neat anyway. Best of luck with them.

[Tommytradix]

On the one hand I agree with Joe in the technical sense that this is actually a true axanthic by purist definition, clearly has the yellow pigments removed. As Joe pointed out is very clearly demonstrated in the photo with normal siblings. This is the first garter with a recessive gene that has been demonstrated to only remove yellow, without altering the melanins or other pigments and is truly deserving of the definition/name axanthic.
On the other hand if Mark wants to call it achromatic that is his choice I guess.
Personally, for radix I would rather see this gene called axanthic and what we now call axanthics called blue axanthic (though I have been calling them that for years anyway) and what we call anery be called black axanthic (sorry Joe not ready to call them melanistic because they aren't solid patternless black).
The ball pythons have a black axanthic and is similar.
Just my two cents but to each there own.
BTW- awesome snakes Mark and Dan, congratulations on proving them out. They may be found from different location than Steves, but they look pretty much the same to me. I would guess they would be compatible too. Great work. Personally I would be interested in crossing with the blue axanthic and the black axanthic, especially the black axanthic to see if compatible which I doubt they would be but the combo might be neat anyway. Best of luck with them.

I agree and it was already crossed with an albino I should produce a litter from them next summer.

[Dan72]

Jeff crossing them into things and hopefully getting something new to show up is something I'm very interested in. Tommy should beat everyone to that with his hets, which is cool, because I'm all for new discovery. I was thinking the other day after a conversation Tommy and I had, we were discussing maybe blizzards or/and snows coming out of these. My thought was this, in BP's it USED to be there was but one way to create a blue eyed leucy. But then there was another, then another, and another. If we, and by we I mean whoever gets there, if we discover another way to get to snow then on to blizzard. If you took the old snow and paired it with the new snows, if the litter are snows then the two ways are compatible if no snows then they would be dbl hets? And in regards to pairing with the blue axanthic if you get a litter of normals then dbl het and not compatible. But if they are you would get a litter with both types present? And what if one were to over ride the other, or would that not be possible?