wild garters cross breeding in the wild.

[ConcinusMan]

It is an awesome website.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/gart...-life-org.html

Maybe it is but I can't make heads or tails out of how to use it. Furthermore, it appears that it doesn't distinquish between different subspecies of T. sirtalis. A problem I run into all too often.

[ProXimuS]

Maybe it is but I can't make heads or tails out of how to use it. Furthermore, it appears that it doesn't distinquish between different subspecies of T. sirtalis. A problem I run into all too often.

And for tha problem, there is this site:
snakefinder

I found that site somewhere on this forum also. Just click Snakefinder to enter, and then after that it's basically self explanitory

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, I've seen that. it's not very accurate. Accurate enough to just get a general idea of where the various subspecies occur, but not accurate enough to determine where subspecies ranges may overlap.

For example, take a look at the range for T. s. concinnus. Not even close. They don't range all the way north to the puget sound, and they certainly don't range into California. Likewise, pickeringii do not range to the Oregon/WA state line. They only range as far south as the Chehalis river in Lewis county.

Snake finder needs a lot of work before it can be at all useful.

[guidofatherof5]

Maybe it is but I can't make heads or tails out of how to use it. Furthermore, it appears that it doesn't distinquish between different subspecies of T. sirtalis. A problem I run into all too often.

There's a short video that gives instructions on how to use it. I was lost until I watched it.

[ProXimuS]

I guess maybe it's designed more for a beginner like me I don't even hardly know any general ranges. So it can give ma a general idea. I figured it wasn't 100% accurate, but it gives a vague idea of the range, I guess.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, very vague, to downright wrong.