ID/Colors morph=?

[Lee]

I stole the picture of this snake from another site, this I'm told is eastern garter but I'm not so sure myself, any idea what color morph this is?
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[garterking7]

thats not an eastern garter snake because it is to pale. They are darker than that but I dont know what kind of garter snake that is.

[Josh]

i dont know much but maybe a maritime???????? i really dont no thats a guess.

[Sid]

I'm no expert, but it looks like T. rufipunctatus (Narrow-headed Garter)

Sid

[GarterGirl]

I don't really know.
It does look a little like a
maritime garter.

[Stefan-A]

I'm no expert, but it looks like T. rufipunctatus (Narrow-headed Garter)

Sid

I'm not an expert either, but I'd definitely say that's not a rufipunctatus. The narrow-headed looks a lot more like a typical Nerodia than a typical Thamnophis.

Wouldn't rule out the eastern or the maritime garter.

[drache]

it looks like an albino something or other
the eyes have that reddish tint
and it seems to me that there's some, more sandy coloured kinds of albinos
I'm a total novice at the ID thing though

[Lee]

Here is a bit more backround on this snake..It was found on the eastern limits of the T.s.sirtalis range along with a bunch of other easterns. Several pictures of several different T.s.sirtalis to show the color variety in them. These included normal, high red, blueish and what appears to be a martime X eastern cross...
Maybe it is a hypo melanistic eastern?

[adamanteus]

There is a photo of an aberrent T. s. sirtalis very like this in Garter & Ribbon Snakes by Mara.

[Stefan-A]

There's also a very similar T. s. sirtalis in Garter and Ribbon Snakes by Bartlett & Bartlett.

We're not talking about the same book, are we James?