whats this and where can i get one like this? :>

[tspuckler]

So? T.s. concinnus (true concinnus) are only found in SW WA and NW Oregon. CA red-sided garters are also limited to CA. Plenty of both snakes available.

Since concinnus are native to other states, it's no surprise there's plenty in the hobby. The only CA red-sideds I've seen for sale have been over $100. I consider that a pretty high price for a snake. How many hobbyists in the U.S. who keep garters do you think have CA red-sideds (as oppposed to easterns, checkereds, etc.)?

The fact of the matter is most garters endemic to CA are not commonly found in the hobby (at least in the United States) - I listed three examples - there's more that can be added to the list.

Tim

[infernalis]

The fact of the matter is most garters endemic to CA are not commonly found in the hobby (at least in the United States) - I listed three examples - there's more that can be added to the list.

Tim

Call me uncommon Tim If I had to keep only one, it would be my Infernalis' They may be nippy fruitcakes, but the most beautiful Thams I have.

[tspuckler]

[QUOTE]Call me uncommon Tim If I had to keep only one, it would be my Infernalis' They may be nippy fruitcakes, but the most beautiful Thams I have.[/QUOTE]

I keep and breed Santa Cruz Garters, so I reckon I'm uncommon too. The point I was making is that California makes it tricky to get endemic garters out of the state and into the hobby - hence the expensive prices for CA red-sideds (because captive bred examples are in limited supply) and the relative absence of other endemic types (like the Coast Garter that the orginal person was inquiring about) in the hobby in the United States.

I'm not saying they're uncommon because people don't like them, I'm saying they're uncommon because of CA's reptile regulations.

[infernalis]

Oh I want some Santa Cruz Garters .... The species that I have not got yet.

I know what you mean, But I don't mind the money part, Over the years I have sent Scott plenty of it.$$$$$

His Infernalis' are fast sell outs.