Why isnt there a chart for breeding different varieties of T. Sirtlais sirtalis here?

[Frenchie]

Hi all members just wondering why no one has put up a chart on breeding variety morphs of T. Sirtalis sirtalis. If someone can it would be neat for everyone ;-).What do you all think about that?

[chris-uk]

Pah. Morphs. Give me a normal anytime.

... You did ask what we all thought. I suppose one of the reasons there's no chart is because unlike other species of snake breeding morphs isn't the be all and end all for many garter keepers. That and the number of morphs in captivity isn't actually that great.

[Jeff B]

Pah. Morphs. Give me a normal anytime.

... You did ask what we all thought. I suppose one of the reasons there's no chart is because unlike other species of snake breeding morphs isn't the be all and end all for many garter keepers. That and the number of morphs in captivity isn't actually that great.

This is the kind of unnecessary crap that I am talking about. Chris goes out of his way to bash morphs and that wasn't even what the original poster was asking about. Why people feel the need to run down the morphs around here is beyond my comprehension. I don't have any desire to run down normals.
Then that triggers Lora to post this nonsensical statement "Plus it seems like most garter morphs are either pretty simple to get (can't think of any that would take more than two generations with the right snakes) or they're line-bred traits."
Two generations is 4 years of hard work and dedication, but she doesn't know any better.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Pah. Morphs. Give me a normal anytime.

... You did ask what we all thought. I suppose one of the reasons there's no chart is because unlike other species of snake breeding morphs isn't the be all and end all for many garter keepers. That and the number of morphs in captivity isn't actually that great.

theres alot of garter snake morphs

[guidofatherof5]

Here are a couple of our member's websites. Hope this helps.

Garter Snake Morph

Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters

[d_virginiana]

Plus it seems like most garter morphs are either pretty simple to get (can't think of any that would take more than two generations with the right snakes) or they're line-bred traits.

[Frenchie]

lol what I meant is there should be a chart on breeding, example if you take a melanistic & breed back to a normal what do you get & so on& so forth that kind of chart ,but thx for all your answers :-)

[BLUESIRTALIS]

lol what I meant is there should be a chart on breeding, example if you take a melanistic & breed back to a normal what do you get & so on& so forth that kind of chart ,but thx for all your answers :-)

melanistic x normal (non het) = normal 100% het melanistic. The same goes for any simple recessive trait. Most garter morphs are recessive except for a few that are codom! Codom means you will get visuals in the first generation. See below for the list of codoms that I can think of at the moment. I'm sure i'll leave some off so if you see something missing feel free to chime in.

EASTERNS:
flame, born visual
erythristic, some color up over time.
anery / black and blue phase, mohr, alexander, and west Virginia strain some darken up over time

CHECKEREDS:
pastel, born visual

PLAINS
red plains, some color up over time
I think the blue axanthic plains is codom, but it's a little more complicated so maybe scott or jeff will chime in on that one.

[ConcinusMan]

lol what I meant is there should be a chart on breeding, example if you take a melanistic & breed back to a normal what do you get & so on& so forth that kind of chart ,but thx for all your answers :-)

There is such a chart. it's called a punnett square. I think what you're really looking for is a genetics 101 crash course. Once you learn that, this "chart" you speak of, becomes completely unnecessary.

[Jeff B]

There is such a chart. it's called a punnett square. I think what you're really looking for is a genetics 101 crash course. Once you learn that, this "chart" you speak of, becomes completely unnecessary.

Good point and great advice.