Morph Timeline

[RicMartin]

Hi every one,

I've been compiling a list of the current known cb morphs for plains garters, with the date they first appeared, the location, & the finder/breeder who started it.

Scott & Steve have been of great assistance already; I hope the whole forum can help to fill in the missing info or correct any errors.

Later, when this is more complete, we can do this with all subspecies & maybe add other fields, like who's breeding then now, or whatever people think pertinent.

I'm sure there's a way to make this look like a table with cells for the categories, for better reference, but here is what we have so far:

T. RADIX MORPH TIMELINE:

1985-1995 ILLINOIS ANERY, ILLINOIS ALBINO
1995 IOWA ALBINO: Mark Rouw, IOWA ANERY: Mark Rouw,
NEBRASKA ALBINO: Dan Fogell
1999 IOWA SNOW: Scott Felzer
2000
2001 IOWA ALBINO: Eric Beal, XMAS ALBINO: Scott Felzer,
COLORADO ALBINO, NEBRASKA SNOW: Scott Felzer
2002
2003 2nd COLORADO ALBINO
2004 ILLINOIS RED HYPO FEMALE: Doug Wenzel
2005 AXANTHIC: Doug Wenzel
2006 SUPER XMAS ALBINO: Scott Felzer
2007
2008 ILLINOIS HYPO FEMALE: Dave Odd,
WAYNE CO. NEBRASKA HIGH RED: Ian Campbell
2009 BLIZZARD: Scott Felzer, AZTEC: Joe Peck
2010 DODGE CO. ALBINO: Chad Howser, B&W: Steve Gilfillan
GREEN: Steve Gilfillan, FREMONT CO. ALBINO: Steve Gilfillan,
RED IOWA ALBINO: Julio
2011 ORANGE NEBRASKA ALBINO: Don Dunlap,
RED NEBRASKA ALBINO: Scott Felzer

[BUSHSNAKE]

the first illinois anery was found by a guy named Berny Schubert(we all call it melanistic here in Illinois) and then later obtained by Doug Wenzell, who then caught a blue morph(axanthic ?) and was the first to breed the blue morph to the melanistic. He had discovered that they are compatable, when he bred the blue to the melanistic he got blue ones(first generation)when he bred the blue to the normal he got hets.As far as im concerned the blue morph has been hugely missrepresented, its recessive not co-dominant(and its certainly not axanthic). the red hypo from doug wenzel i believe actually orginated out of Nebraska, Doug got it from a guy named John Carlson

[BUSHSNAKE]

Aztec(or i called it striped)Lombard Il dupage county
melanistic(anery?)Romeoville, Il Will County
blue morph(axanthic?)palos hills Il cook county

[RicMartin]

Thanks Joe. Besides all the new info, your posts give us Morph Genetics as another needed field, where we can plug Recessive, Co-Dominant, or Debated: Recessive/Co-Dominant, Axanthic, etc.

I will expand the list with your info later & repost.

Also maybe we can add Other Morph Name, for Striped/Aztec, or Xmas/Orange.

How was Xmas named, did the scrub turn orange on the 24th?

[BUSHSNAKE]

lol, you have to ask Scott Felzer that last question

[ConcinusMan]

Now that's funny

[RicMartin]

I figured I was the only one who didn't know the trivia about the Xmas/Orange thing.
We'll ask Scott, then.
I know there are other snakes with morphs called Aztec, I don't know if that always means striped, someone here must know.
This is already providing good answers & good questions in just one day. Thanks.

[ConcinusMan]

Aztec Plains: another "non-morph" morph if you ask me. Just like Mohr anery.

Just try googling either one of those and pay attention to the source of anything you might find written on the web. It's always the same person and/or website that say these two are a morph. And also, pay attention to the number of specimens known to exist, and whether or not they have been reproduced. It's always just one or two.

Don't you think that's a little odd?

Look, I'm just saying there's no evidence at all that these are morphs or even inheritable traits.

[BUSHSNAKE]

possibly... the Aztec never got the chance to be bred

[ConcinusMan]

And just exactly how many have been found? One aberrant individual does not a morph make so why go around talking like it is, and calling the offspring "hets".