Thiamine fish list

[sirtalis01]

Found this list online on the fish that are NOT good to feed to garters or atleas not good as stable Diet...found it both intresting and Helpful

The following fish have been reported to contain thiaminase:

Alewife (Alosa pseudoharengus)
Anchovy, Broad-striped (Anchoa hepsetus)
Anchovy, Californian (Engraulis mordax)
Anchovy, Goldspotted Grenadier (Coilia dussumieri)
Barb, Olive (Puntius sarana)
Bass, White (Morone chrysops)
Bonefish (Albula vulpes)
Bowfin (Amia calva)
Bream (Abramis brama)
Buffalo, Bigmouth (Ictiobus cyprinellus)
Burbot (Lota lota)
Butterfish, American (Peprilus triacanthus)
Carp, Common (Cyprinus carpio)
Catfish, Black Bullhead (Amieurus melas)
Catfish, Brown Bullhead (Ameiurus nebulosus)
Catfish, Channel (Ictalurus punctatus)
Cod, Black (species undetermined)
Dolphinfish, Common (Coryphaena hippurus)
Flagtail, Hawaiian (Kuhlia sandvicensis)
Goatfish, Manybar (Parupeneus multifasciatus)
Goatfish, Red Sea (Mulloidichthys auriflamma)
Goatfish, Yellowstripe (Mulloidichthys samoensis)
Goldfish (Carassius auratus)
Herring, Atlantic (Clupea harrengus)
Jobfish, Crimson (Pristipomoides filamentosus)
Jobfish, Green (Aprion virescens)
Lamprey, Sea (Petromyzon marinus)
Loach, Weatherfish (Misgurnus)
Mackerel, Chub (Scomber japonicus)
Menhaden, Atlantic (Brevoortia tyrannus)
Menhaden, Gulf (Brevoortia patronus)
Milkfish (Chanos chanos)
Minnow, Fathead (“Rosy Red”) (Pimephales promelas)
Moray Eel, Southern Ocellated (Gymnothorax ocellatus)
Mullet, Flathead Mugil cephalus)
Parrot, Regal (Scarus dubius)
Queenfish, Doublespotted (Scomberoides lysan)
Sardine, Razorbelly (Harengula jaguana)
Sauger (Harengula jaguana)
Scad, Bigeye (Selar crumenophthalmus)
Sculpin, Fourhorn (Triglopsis quadricornis)
Shad, Gizzard (Dorosoma cepedianum)
Shiner, Emerald (Notropis atherinoides)
Shiner, Spottail (Notropis hudsonius)
Smelt, Rainbow (Osmerus mordax)
Snapper, Ruby (Etelis carbunculus)
Stoneroller, Central (Campostoma anomalum)
Sucker, White (Catostomus commersonii)
Swordfish (Xiphias gladius)
Threadfin, Sixfinger (Polydactylus sexfilis)
Trevally, Giant (Caranx ignobilis)
Tuna, Skipjack (Katsuwonus pelamis)
Tuna, Yellowfin (Neothunnus macropterus)
Whitefish, Lake (Coregonus clupeaformis)
Whitefish, Round (Prosopium cylindraceum)

Now this list is of Good fish for Garters

The following fish have been reported safe — or at least, free from thiaminase:

Amberjack, Greater (Seriola dumerilii)
Ayu (Plecoglossus altivelis)
Barracuda, Great (Sphyraena barracuda)
Bass, Largemouth (Micropterus salmoides)
Bass, Northern Rock (Ambloplites rupestris)
Bass, Northern Smallmouth (Micropterus dolomieu)
Bloater (Coregonus hoyi)
Bluegill (Lepomis macrochirus)
Cisco / Lake Herring (Coregonus artedi)
Cod, Atlantic (Gadus morhua)
Crappie, Black (Pomoxis nigromaculatus)
Croaker, Atlantic (Micropogonias undulates)
Croaker, Spot (Leiostomus xanthurus)
Cunner (Tautogolabrus adspersus
Dogfish, Piked (Squalus acanthias)
Eel, American (Anguilla rostrata)
Eel, Common (Anguilla anguilla)
Flounder, Winter / Lemon Sole (Pseudopleuronectes americanus)
Flounder, Yellowtail (Limanda ferruginea)
Gar, Longnose (Lepisosteus osseus)
Glasseye (Heteropriacanthus cruentatus)
Haddock (Melanogrammus aeglefinus)
Hairtail, Largehead (Trichiurus lepturus)
Hake (Urophycis)
Hake, Silver (Merluccius bilinearis)
Halibut, Atlantic (Hippoglossus hippoglossus)
Kawakawa (Euthynnus affinis)
Kingfish, Southern (Menticirrhus americanus)
Lizardfish, Inshore (Synodus foetens)
Mackerel, Atlantic (Scomber scombrus)
Marlin, Atlantic Blue (Makaira nigricans)
Mullet (Mugil)
Perch, European (Perca fluviatilis)
Perch, Ocean / Redfish (Sebastes marinus)
Perch, Yellow (Perca flavescens)
Pike, Northern (Esox lucius)
Plaice, American (Hippoglossoides platessoides)
Plaice, European (Pleuronectes platessa)
Pollock / Saithe (Pollachius)
Pumpkinseed (Lepomis gibbosus)
Salmon, Atlantic (Salmo salar)
Salmon, Coho (Oncorhynchus kisutch)
Scad, Mackerel (Decapterus pinnulatus)
Scad, Yellowtail (Atule mate)
Scup / Southern Porgy (Stenotomus chrysops)
Sea Catfish, Hardhead (Ariopsis felis)
Seabass, Black (Centropristis striata)
Searobin (Prionotus)
Seatrout, Sand (Cynoscion arenarius)
Seatrout, Silver (Cynoscion nothus)
Skate (Raja)
Smelt, Pond (Hypomesus olidus)
Soldierfish, Blotcheye (Myripristis berndti)
Sole, Common/Black (Solea solea)
Sprat, European (Sprattus sprattus)
Surgeonfish, Eyestripe (Acanthurus dussumieri)
Tautog / Blackfish (Tautoga onitis)
Tilapia (various species)
Trout, Brown (Salmo trutta)
Trout, Lake (Salvelinus namaycush)
Trout, Rainbow (Oncorhynchus mykiss)
Trout, Sea (Salmo trutta)
Tusk (Brosme brosme)
Walleye (Sander vitreus)
Weakfish, Sand (Cynoscion arenarius)

Obviously you’re not going to be feeding barracuda to a garter snake: some of these are moot in a practical sense. But you get the idea.

Even though rosy reds and goldfish have thiaminase, there are still some options left if your snake will only eat live fish. Feeder guppies and platies, though not mentioned above, are generally considered safe from a thiaminase perspective (though, like all live fish, hardly risk-free in terms of internal parasites). These are widely available in pet stores.

[guidofatherof5]

Great thread. Can you cite the source? There is also a list on the forum care sheet.

[Tommytradix]

​this is the list on the care sheet


Safe and unsafe fish

Unsafe fish (Species reported to contain thiaminase)Alewife (Alosa pseudoharengus) Anchovies (Anchoa hepsetus) Anchovies (Engraulis mordax) Bass (white) (Lepibema chrysops) Black quahog (Artica islandica) Bowfin (dogfish) (Amia calva) Bream (Abramis brama) Buckeye shiner (Notropus atherionoides) Buffalofish (Ictiobus cyprinellus) Bull Head (Ameirurus m. melas) Burbot (Lota lota maculosa) Burbot (Lota lota) Butterfish (Poronotus triacanthus) Carp (Cyprinus carpio) Catfish (channel) (Ictalurus laccustris punctatus) Clams (chowder, steamer, cherrystone) Fathead minnow (Primephales p. promelas) Garfish (garpike) Goldfish (Carassius auratus) Herring (Baltic) (Clupea harengus var. membranus) Herring (Clupea harengus) Lamprey (adult) (Petromyzon marintus) Mackerel (Scomber japonicas) (Pacific) Menhaden (Brecoortia tyrannus) Menhaden (large scale) (Brecoortia patronus) Moray ell (Gymnothorax ocellatus) Mussel (bigtoe) (Pluerobema cordatum) Razor belly (scaled sardine) (Harengula pensacolae) Sauger (Stizostedion c. canadense) Scallop (Placopecten grandis) Sculpin (Myooxocephalus quadricornis thompsonii) Shad (gizzard) (Dorosoma cepedianum) Shiner (spottail) (Notropis hudsonius) Smelt (freshwater) (Osmerus mordax) Stoneroller (central) (Campostoma anomalum pullum) Sucker (common white) (Catostomus c. commersonii) White bass (Lepimbema chrysops) Whitefish (Prosopium cylindraceum quadriaterale) White fish (Coregonus clupeaformis)

Safe fish (Species reported not to contain thiaminase)

Ayu (Plecoglossus altivelis) Bass (largemouth) (Huro salmoides) Bass (rock) (Ambloplites r. rupestris) Bass (smallmouth) (Micropterus d. dolomieu) Black backs (pseudopleuronectes americanus) Bluegill (Lepomis m. macrochirus) Chub (bloater) (Coregonus hoyi) Cod (Gadus morrhua) Crappie (Pomoxis nigro-maculatus) Croaker (Micropogon undulatus) Cunner (Tautogolabrus adspersus) Cusk (Brosme brosme) Cutlassfish (silver eel) (Trichiurus lepturus) Dogfish (squalus acanthias) Eel (anguilla rostrata) Gar (northern longnose) (Lepisosteus osseus oxyurus) Haddack (Melanogrammus aeglefinus) Halibut (Hippoglossus hippoglossus) Hake (Urophycis spp.) Herring (Leucichthys artedi areturus) King whiting (ground whiting) (Menticirrhus americanus) Lemon sole (Psuedopleuronectes americanus dignabilis) Lizard Fish (Synodus foetens) Mackerel (Scomber scombrus) Mullet (Mugil spp.) Perch (yellow) (Perca flavescens) Pike (northern) (Esox lucius) Pike (wall-eyed) (stizostedion vitreum) Plaice (Canadian) (Hippoglossoides platessoides) Pollock (Pollachitus virens) Porgy (scup) (Stenotomus aculeatus) Porgy (scup) (Stenotomus chrysops) Pumpkinseed (Lepomis gibbosus) Redfish (Sebastes marinus) Salmon (Salmo salar) Salmon (Coho) (Oncorhynchus kisutch) Seabass (centropristis striatas) Sea catfish (galeichthys felis) Sea robin (Prionotus spp.) Smelt or "silversides" (Hypomesus olidus)(arctic pond. Also known as silversides, usually frozen available in pet stores) Spot (Leiostomus xanthurus) Squid (Loligo brevis) Tautog (blackfish) (Tautoga onitis) Trout (brown) (Salmo trutta fario) Trout (lake) (Christiconer n. namaycush) Trout (rainbow) (Salmo gairdnerii irideus) White trout (Cynoscion nothus) White trout (Cynoscion avenarius) Whiting (Merluccius bilinearis) Yellow tails (Limanda ferruginea)[/
One must keep in mind that just because a fish is on the thiaminase-free list, doesn't mean it's safe to feed to your snakes. Some species (sometimes depending on where it was caught) contain unacceptable levels of contaminants such as methyl mercury or other heavy metals, or PCB's. For this reason I do not recommend freshwater bass of any kind, or wild salmon from anywhere but Alaska. Bluegill (sunfish) and crappie is also sometimes very high in contaminants. Many people have had snakes get sick, or even die after eating seafood section grocery store fish. I myself fed coho salmon for quite some time, and had snakes develop neurological problems. I recommend F/T silversides, AKA "Arctic Pond Smelt" if your snakes will eat them. For more information on contaminated fish: http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=17694

[sirtalis01]

Well I didn't know lol..always good to know this kind of info

[guidofatherof5]

Well I didn't know lol..always good to know this kind of info

Please cite the source. If you've found an updated or more comprehensive list that would be great.

[sirtalis01]

Here is the source of this info...might be updated...
http://www.gartersnake.info/articles...hiaminase.php]