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    Exclamation Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    So Silv has been in 'brumination mode' since last Tuesday. On Tuesday I took off his light and heat and left him in the house for a day (got him down to about 65) and then about a day and a half later put him in the garage. The garage temp of his cage has ranged from about 47-57, aside from a small amount of time this morning when we left the garage door open and it got down to 40.

    I checked on him this morning, picked him up to take a look (he rapidly curled himself around my fingers really tightly), and I noticed he smelled really weird. Before this I have never noticed ANY smell on him, let alone a really nasty smell. I don't really know how to describe it, except 'bad'... my first thought was "rotting" but I wonder how much of that is just because I was worried about the rotting leftover food that I have heard about before. I waiting for 2 weeks from the time I last even suspected that he ate (although it actually was probably more like 3 weeks, because I don't really think he ate at that two week mark, but he might have, so just in case I waited). About one week before brumination I put him in a little container with a worm, but the worm was still whole intact when I finally got him out so I really don't think he had eaten for at least two weeks before cooling him down.

    So my question is... is this normal or is there a problem? I do not think it was any sort of musking, since there was no liquid. I also noticed that when he flicks his tongue it flicks very slow, but I attributed that to his general body cooldown and slower movements. However that smell has got me a little concerned. Please let me know what I should be doing for him - whether it is leaving him alone or taking some action.

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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    Also, as a note - it is not the cage the smells, but the snake himself. I stuck my face down in there and the cage smells fine, but if I hold the snake up to my nose... yuck.
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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    has the wound gone septic??

    if you have to, use a magnifying glass for a closer look, smell the top of his head, does the stink seem stronger at the top of his head?.

    If the wound is starting to rot, you will need to get back to the vet ASAP

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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    They can musk without any noticeable liquid

    The slow tongue movement is sometimes also a sign of aggression/defending
    Allready waiting for the sommer
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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    I would take him out of brumation immediately. Sometimes snakes will "plug up" (cloaca impaction) while brumating. If they weren't fasted long enough before the cool down, there could be rotting food and/or fecal matter inside. That will cause the snake to smell rotten every time. If that is the case, it is life threatening. Whatever the cause, it sounds like the snake is septic and needs a vet asap.

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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    A wound that has an infection usually has visual sign. Swollen area, some type of discharge.
    It may just be musk but it could be something more serious.
    You are right to be concerned and this should be investigated further.
    I hope all turns out well for Silv.
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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    Called and got an appt with (hopefully) a good herp vet. Got the vet from the list provided early (Reptile Vets).

    His head wound looks fine, as far as I could tell. Vet said on the phone it could be internal necrosis or some sort of impaction issue... going to get an x-ray and also she said she would show me how to tube feed him. If there is no hope I will have to put him down.
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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    Good luck and keeps us posted. We're all hoping that Silv will be OK.

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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    Prayers going out your way. Hang in there Silv.
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    Re: Bruminating Snake Smells Funny... help?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConcinnusMan View Post
    Good luck and keeps us posted. We're all hoping that Silv will be OK.
    Quote Originally Posted by guidofatherof5 View Post
    Prayers going out your way. Hang in there Silv.
    Ditto, what they said.

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