im going to be going out west(Montana) next week and i was thinking about catching a garter out there preferably a plains or terrestrial garter. would it be bad if it escaped in Wisconsin? should i just stick with the species that live by me?
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06-12-2012, 04:40 PM #1"First shed, A Success"
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good idea or not
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06-12-2012, 04:42 PM #2Thamnophis houstonius
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Are you sure those don't already live in your area? If you can find out which are native there, you might be ok....
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06-12-2012, 04:44 PM #3"First shed, A Success"
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i dont believe either of them live in my area
Sam
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06-12-2012, 04:47 PM #4"PM Boots For Custom Title"
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No worse than if any of our snakes escaped and got into the local ecosystem. Not many wild garters around here.
Originally Posted by greene
I'd just say that if you are catching and keeping any snake you have a duty of care to that snake to ensure that it is kept safe and secure - which means it shouldn't be able to escape. Sure, you can't plan for all eventualities but you set things up as best you can.ChrisT. marcianus, T. e. cuitzeoensis, T. cyrtopsis, T. radix, T. s. infernalis, T. s. tetrataenia
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06-12-2012, 04:49 PM #5"PM Boots For Custom Title"
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Looks like Wisconsin already has T. Radix. Not sure about T. Elegans, though.
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
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06-12-2012, 04:52 PM #6"PM Boots For Custom Title"
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"No worse than if any of our snakes escaped and got into the local ecosystem. Not many wild garters around here."
With one small caveat: there aren't any breeding populations of thamnophis in the UK. However, there are breeding populations of various other thamnophis species in Wisconsin. An escaping elegans could end up contributing to the gene pools of other species. But I would think that the risks are minimal.People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.
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06-12-2012, 04:59 PM #7Pyrondenium Rose
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It can introduce new pathogens and such. One escaped garter could, technically, ruin the lives of other garter snakes. I'm sure Steve will have something to say about it and can go into better detail. He knows more about this stuff than I do.
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06-12-2012, 05:17 PM #8"First shed, A Success"
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ok sounds like i better not catch one then
Sam
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06-12-2012, 06:38 PM #9Juvenile snake
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Just make sure they don't escape...people buy non-native to local area species every day.
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06-12-2012, 06:43 PM #10T. radix Ranch
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I didn't look at the complete article but did see, T.butleri (Butler garter), T.sirtalis (Easter garter), T.radix (Plains garter) on the list.
Good article with a map showing the location they are found in.
http://www.uncledavesenterprise.com/...0Wisconsin.pdfSteve
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