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    "Preparing For First shed" Maleko's Avatar
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    Sudden symptoms!

    I just noticed these today on Coby, my young Oregon Red Spotted. She's about 3 or 4 months old and on a diet of pinky parts and earthworms.
    Today I picked her up to find that part of her tail behind her anus was sunken in and it looked like she had feces lodged in her vent. I took her to a friend who knows a little more on snakes than I do. Coby was passing something foreign. My friend gently pulled it out. It was a piece of bark from her bedding (I use coconut bedding) she had swallowed during a recent feeding. She bled a little bit but the swelling went down a lot. It looks like her anus has been stretched out and there's still some feces thats being passed. During this ordeal, my friend examined her and told me that based on her tail (which appeared slightly deflated) and her scales (some of which were sticking up) she is calcium deficient and dehydrated. I gave her a warm bath and I'm gonna go buy some calcium powder for her.

    If her health continues to deteriorate, my local vet will work on garters (this friend of mine recently took one of her's in). Any advice? I'm in a bit of a panic. I've separated her from my other garter (who's doing just fine)

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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    If she's been impacted from ingesting substrate that could be why she's dehydrated as she may have stopped drinking as well. When was her last feed? And was that when she swallowed the coconut substrate?
    Calcium deficiency would be more common if you had just been feeding earthworms, with the pinky pieces mixed in to the diet she'd be getting more nutrients though. Is she eating all the pinky (ie head as well as smaller parts)? I think there's a lot of nutrition in the head as the skull is one of the more formed bones, and brain is full of good stuff. The section containing the liver is key nutrition as well.
    Calcium powder is definitely a good idea, I also have some calcium supplement that is added to their water - I use calcium in alternate water changes, and the powder I'll use every 3 or 4 feeds.

    I think you'll find that supplements the diet will help. I haven't experienced an impaction myself so I can't give you pointers of things to do or look out for - give it a couple of hours and you'll get some more advice from the forum elite!
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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    A warm water bath can help. Can you gently work some stool out, or is she still blocked?
    Kat
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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    It sounds like you are doing all you can at this point.
    The warm water soakings will keep the vent moist and may help stimulate the bowl to keep things moving.
    Is she still eating?
    Please keep us informed on this situation.
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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    Came back from school. She was gone.
    Thanks anyway.

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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    Sorry to hear that. The impaction could have caused more damage internally.
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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    Sorry to hear she passed.
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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    Sorry for your loss. That is tough.
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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    That's too bad. There's not much you can do for a little one that has swallowed hard indigestible substrate. It's almost always fatal. All you can do is make sure that it doesn't happen. (prevention)

    I don't think your snake was old enough to be showing any signs of calcium deficiency. I highly doubt this was the case.

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    Re: Sudden symptoms!

    I am so sorry to hear about your loss.
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