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    Question Melanomas in "black snakes"

    On my Dutch forum someone had a very red concinnus that died of melanomas. And later a anerythristic concinnus also had a melanoma.
    Both animals were 6 years old, but not from the same litter. Do not know if they are related, but will ask him.
    He went to a vet who performed an autopsy and found that the cancer had already spread considerably. Melanomas occur often in black snakes was his conclusion.
    According to the vet (after he consulted some other specialists) this could be prevented by using UV light.

    Personally I have had many black snakes in the last 40 years and I have never had one (or took care of one) that had melanomas.

    What is your experience in this?
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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thamnophis View Post
    According to the vet (after he consulted some other specialists) this could be prevented by using UV light.
    That's interesting because melanoma in humans is caused by excessive exposure to UV light.

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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

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    That's interesting because melanoma in humans is caused by excessive exposure to UV light.
    That's why I also was very surprised about the answer of the vet.
    Cannot find literature about what he says.
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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    Quote Originally Posted by Thamnophis View Post
    On my Dutch forum someone had a very red concinnus that died of melanomas. And later a anerythristic concinnus also had a melanoma.
    Both animals were 6 years old, but not from the same litter. Do not know if they are related, but will ask him.
    He went to a vet who performed an autopsy and found that the cancer had already spread considerably. Melanomas occur often in black snakes was his conclusion.
    According to the vet (after he consulted some other specialists) this could be prevented by using UV light.

    Personally I have had many black snakes in the last 40 years and I have never had one (or took care of one) that had melanomas.

    What is your experience in this?
    That's a bit of jumpy conclusion to come to based on two samples.
    Single keeper with two snakes with melanoma, I'd be considering an environmental cause. Other than that, my conclusion would probably be that it was a strange coincidence unless there was literature to suggest that black snakes are more susceptible to melanoma.
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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    Malignant melanoma of the skin (CMM ) is associated with ultraviolet radiation exposure, but the mechanisms and even the wavelengths responsible are unclear. Here we use a mammalian model to investigate melanoma formed in response to precise spectrally defined ultraviolet wavelengths and biologically relevant doses. We show that melanoma induction by ultraviolet A (320–400 nm) requires the presence of melanin pigment and is associated with oxidative DNA damage within melanocytes. In contrast, ultraviolet B radiation (280–320 nm) initiates melanoma in a pigment-independent manner associated with direct ultraviolet B DNA damage. Thus, we identified two ultraviolet wavelength-dependent pathways for the induction of CMM and describe an unexpected and significant role for melanin within the melanocyte in melanomagenesis.

    Melanoma induction by ultraviolet A but not ultraviolet B radiation requires melanin pigment : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group
    http://www.nature.com/ncomms/journal...ncomms1893.pdf






    Interesting subject. This might require further googling.

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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    Indeed Stefan, interesting...
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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    My first garter, Sneaky Snake, died from cancer. I thought Melanoma was skin cancer though and that is not what she had.
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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    Melanoma is skin cancer.
    Quote Originally Posted by i_heart_sneakie_snakes View Post
    My first garter, Sneaky Snake, died from cancer. I thought Melanoma was skin cancer though and that is not what she had.
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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    I lost a red radix(Boomerang) to confirmed skin cancer.
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    Re: Melanomas in "black snakes"

    Melanoma is indeed a cancer that starts on the skin, but it metastasizes very aggressive and that is what makes it very lethal.
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