Its oh so quiet Shh Shh

[ConcinusMan]

They are.

They're not! Or maybe they are but I'm sure it's not like you are saying it is

Sorry to interrupt your argument, but, I was wondering...

Hey, can't you see we're busy with pointless arguing? How rude of you to interrupt!

Just kidding Chantel. No really, just putting frogs in the freezer is quite humane. They are quite freeze tolerant. I've seen pacific chorus frogs or even bull frogs freeze solid, thaw out later, and still be alive. They really just go to sleep. If they stay frozen cold enough and long enough, they just pass away quietly. They are quite beyond conscious awareness when they die from freezing. I believe they don't feel a thing. They just go to sleep below a certain temperature. The only other way is, if you have the stomach, to drop them in near boiling water, then pull them out quickly before they cook. They will die the instant they land in the boiling water. It's that, or instant freezing by liquid nitrogen.

Personally, I just freeze them. Just put frogs in a container and place it in the household freezer. It's not all that cruel. Happens in nature. Sometimes they get caught in he open and freeze. I don't think they suffer. Just keep them frozen at around 0 degrees F for at least a few weeks to kill any parasite larvae they might be carrying.

In the end, killing is killing. Freezing frogs or rodents even in a regular freezer is quite humane. They get cold, they lose consiousness (go to sleep). Either way, you can rest assured that it is the least violent and traumatic way a frog or rodent will die becoming garter food. At least they aren't alive with razor sharp teeth embedded in their assholomeo as they are being swallowed alive.

[kibakiba]

Well, thank you for reassuring me that I'm not completely torturing the poor frog. It was spazzing when I put it in the bag and croaking(hah) a lot. That is one reason I don't feed live food unless it's the only thing available. My friend fed a rat hopper(I think) to her python around me and hearing it was the most horrible thing ever, and I wasn't even looking.

I'm sure Mama would be thanking you right about now, she wanted that frog like it was the last meal she'd ever have in her life. I've seen her spazz over food, but never that much.

[infernalis]

I've personally never observed bullfrog tadpoles specifically, prey on anything. .

I've never personally observed an atom splitting, so evidently it can't happen right??

[Stefan-A]

They're not! Or maybe they are but I'm sure it's not like you are saying it is

They are and it is.

[Stefan-A]

I've never personally observed an atom splitting, so evidently it can't happen right??

Yeah, fission is one of those things that you don't normally see. Most people have seen atoms fusing, though.

[Stefan-A]

Sorry to interrupt your argument, but, I was wondering if there was a... At least slightly humane way of freezing a live tree frog?

No. It's no more comfortable for them, than it is for us to be frozen.

Air pistols are handy.

[infernalis]

No really, just putting frogs in the freezer is quite humane.

A lesson in humanity

If it were live and moving, in front of me it would be even worse. I wouldn't go the other direction. I'd instantly find the nearest object (rock, gun, club, whatever) and chase that sucker. If I caught up to it, I'd shoot it and/or beat it to death, and feel much exhileration and satisfaction in watching it take it's last breath. Then later, when faced with a carcass to dispose of, I'd feel guilty for killing an animal unnecessarily.

[infernalis]

Most people have seen atoms fusing, though.

Clever one.

I'd like to see more of it myself, the recent deficiency is abhorrent.

[ConcinusMan]

I've never personally observed an atom splitting, so evidently it can't happen right??

I'd just like to know how they are going to accomplish it when all they have is soft, sucking mouth parts incapable of biting. You would think that if it's something that normally happens, I would have seen it by now , with all the tadpoles I've raised, but no. Not once. Not even when I was gone for a few days and they were starving when I got back. They couldn't even manage to eat the goldfish flakes unless I crushed them up into a powder for them, and sunk it. Otherwise, they would struggle with it for hours until the water finally dissolved them. Now that I have seen many times. Now if they are going to prey on each other or something else, what are they going to do, suck it to death?

[Stefan-A]

I'd just like to know how they are going to accomplish it when all they have is soft, sucking mouth parts incapable of biting.

Well, for starters, they don't just have "soft, sucking mouth parts incapable of biting".