Shipping discussions

[ConcinusMan]

Don't worry about it. You're in Wyoming. I was merely pointing out that OR and WA has always had laws on the books stating that it's illegal to collect / keep native wildlife including their captive descendants. And being how those are the only two states where they can be found, someone had to break the law at some point or nobody would have them. Not that WA cares anyway. When it comes to garter snakes, they don't give a damn about enforcing it. There's been a couple of times that they knew I had them. They didn't give a damn. They have better things to do than go after people who keep a few garter snakes. But that wasn't my point.

My point was that nobody would have them, anywhere, if someone hadn't bent the rules at some point. So, if you're keeping them, selling/breeding, whatever, you're benefiting from those bent rules. All the while preaching about following the rules. I don't see these same people refusing to keep or buy those species so they are just hypocrites whether it was them that broke the law or not because they are creating the demand. I think that perhaps if SYR wasn't so damn ridiculously high on the price, they could eliminate the need to use other channels altogether.

You have nothing to worry about. There's no law in Wyoming that says you can't have them. Even if there was, I'm sure they have better things to worry about.

[Robyn@TRR]

Look, I'm not saying it's not a good service or anything like that. I'm saying the cost is ridiculous. $105 from me to NY. No on time insurance, not including packaging, etc. That's outrageous.

A 12x9x6 box at 3 pounds is $67 to ship from California to NY, all the way across the country, you can run a quick free quote at ShipYourReptiles.com. That is where the rate STARTS, and can better from there.

I, you know, the person with the product, the one doing all the work and investment of time and money.

Does spending half a million dollars to start our business and build the website count? LOL.

[ConcinusMan]

A 12x9x6 box at 3 pounds is $67 to ship from California to NY, all the way across the country, you can run a quick free quote at ShipYourReptiles.com. That is where the rate STARTS, and can better from there.

And yet, 12X12X12 (the size I use most often) 2lbs, from my zip (in the Portland/Vancouver metro area) to 11385 costs $105.52 and that's with no on-time insurance or anything. And no, it doesn't "get better" from there being how that price is the only way I can ship a live snake. It only goes up, when you start adding the things it doesn't include. I'm just going by the USPS receipt I have here. That's what I mailed. Guaranteed on time or your money back. Price was $36.45. So, apparently, it's buy those weird dimension boxes from you guys, then it's cheaper. Buy a box elsewhere (I don't recall ever seeing a shipping box that I can buy like that one) and you charged up the... for shipping. I see. It's like those cheap printers. Buy the printer cheap, but to refill it costs a fortune.

Does spending half a million dollars to start our business and build the website count? LOL.

You totally missed to point again apparently.

[Stefan-A]

You totally missed to point again apparently.

Well don't leave it at that. If a point was missed, explain what the point was.

[ConcinusMan]

I'm going to leave it at that because you'll just ignore it or argue against it anyway so its just not worth it.

[Robyn@TRR]

And yet, 12X12X12 (the size I use most often) 2lbs, from my zip (in the Portland/Vancouver metro area) to 11385 costs $105.52 and that's with no on-time insurance or anything. And no, it doesn't "get better" from there being how that price is the only way I can ship a live snake. It only goes up, when you start adding the things it doesn't include. I'm just going by the USPS receipt I have here. That's what I mailed. Guaranteed on time or your money back. Price was $36.45. So, apparently, it's buy those weird dimension boxes from you guys, then it's cheaper. Buy a box elsewhere (I don't recall ever seeing a shipping box that I can buy like that one) and you charged up the... for shipping. I see. It's like those cheap printers. Buy the printer cheap, but to refill it costs a fortune.

You totally missed to point again apparently.

Apparently I have. LOL.

Honestly I am not sure how serious you are. You give me the chuckles at your obstinance. I think maybe you are being difficult just for fun. I'm not offended, it is kinda entertaining, but probably wears thin pretty quick.

I am not sure what goes in the blue world you live in, but the "weird" box size of 12x9x6 is by far the most common box in the reptile shipping world. It is the number one seller of every reptile packaging supplier online. "Weird".

Yes, if you use a larger box, the rate is higher. Again, not sure if you are trying to be "funny" by pointing this out, but I am laughing, so, success? : )

[ConcinusMan]

What I'm trying to say is that there's nobody around here that I can find, that sells boxes that size. And give me a break. By the time that's insulated, I couldn't fit jack spit in there. Unless I end up buying them from SYR (again, at a higher price than what I buy) I'm screwed. 12X12 area is going to be the minimum size I use in most cases. By the time you insulate it, the inside dimensions are much smaller. Is that small difference in size really worth that huge difference in the shipping price? Why so much more to ship it?

[twgrosmick]

What I'm trying to say is that there's nobody around here that I can find, that sells boxes that size. And give me a break. By the time that's insulated, I couldn't fit jack spit in there. Unless I end up buying them from SYR (again, at a higher price than what I buy) I'm screwed. 12X12 area is going to be the minimum size I use in most cases. By the time you insulate it, the inside dimensions are much smaller.

I have packed plenty of snakes in a 12x9x6 and anything larger means that the buyer is purchasing many animals and it would be obvious that shipping is going to cost more. There are very few garter snakes babies-adults that could not fit in a 12x9x6 and still have room for packing, heat, etc.

Just my two cents. The 12x9x6 with insulation can hold 8 small deli cups with no problem. That covers any garters from just born up to about a year give or take. That is the minimum without really having to try.

[Robyn@TRR]

What are you shipping, adult iguanas? I can fit two 5 ft. adult Mandarin ratsnakes plus heat pack in the 12x9x6 without much effort...

What if the only thing available "locally" to you was refrigerator boxes? Would you just use those? Pretending that options don't exist doesn't actually mean options don't exist. Order some boxes. Don't send us your business if you don't want to, order them from TSKSupply.com, they have many sizes. Or buy them from ULine.com and get insulation from Home Depot and insulate them yourself.

[ConcinusMan]

That just seems awfully small.