San Francisco's

[chris-uk]

I'm curious. How many people who read this forum actually own a San Francisco at the moment? The thread goes back a few years, so I think there's a few people who do have them. Anyone in Europe actively breeding them?

[guidofatherof5]

Thamnophis sirtalis tetrataenia - San Francisco Gartersnake

[RedSidedSPR]

Udo, the portal page contest winner (zooplan) for one.

Stefan has one I think.

Lots of people in the UK, as long as they're not in the US it's legal.

[Stefan-A]

Stefan has one I think.

Correct.

They're not that uncommon on this side of the Atlantic.

[chris-uk]

Correct.

They're not that uncommon on this side of the Atlantic.

Stefan - What's the gene pool looking like nowdays? I did read about fresh genetic stock making it to Europe, but also that the European lines are increasingly in-bred. I'm going to keep my eye on San Frans, maybe in a year or two I'll look for someone who is breeding them.

[guidofatherof5]

Stefan - What's the gene pool looking like nowdays? I did read about fresh genetic stock making it to Europe

What have you heard? Rumors or something concrete?

[RedSidedSPR]

Concrete rumors perhaps?

[chris-uk]

What have you heard? Rumors or something concrete?

No, it was a rumour on another forum. Someone had heard from someone at a meet, who had no doubt heard from someone who kept pythons. I certainly didn't read much into it, and I think if new stock has made it to Europe it's been illegally collected and anyone involved isn't going to admit anything.
They are beautiful snakes, and to be honest if I did decide to go looking for some I'd want to find two from lines that are as distinct as possible. At the moment I couldn't commit to what I'd want to do, which would be to get a pair breeding and help maintain the sub-specied in captivity.

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks.

[Thamnophis]

I have 2.2 adults and a number of juveniles. But the last mentioned will all be sold at the Snakeday tomorrow in Houten, Netherlands.
One of the pairs is an older male and a female that I bred two years ago. So normally they give me some young next year.
The rumour of fresh blood coming into Europe re-appears every few years, but there has never been any proof.