I need help IDing this Garter Snake

[ConcinusMan]

So did I, but it was found outside that range. (don't recall exactly where at the moment but I remember it can't be a radix) It was found where only easterns and red sided occur. If you ask me, it looks nearly identical to the top pic, right down to the facial markings and we know that one is a red sided.

The debate over this snake was, is it an eastern, or a red sided. I say red sided.

[RedSidedSPR]

Me too. Redsided.

[Jeff B]

So did I, but it was found outside that range. (don't recall exactly where at the moment but I remember it can't be a radix) It was found where only easterns and red sided occur. If you ask me, it looks nearly identical to the top pic, right down to the facial markings and we know that one is a red sided.

The debate over this snake was, is it an eastern, or a red sided. I say red sided.

the side line is completely different than the first pic

[ConcinusMan]

The first pic was Scott's "golden" red sided acquired from Don if I'm not mistaken.

The second two pics are a different snake than Scotts "golden" but the second two pics are of same snake. There is at least one more angle/ pic of that snake but seriously if you look at it carefully you can see suppressed red coloring. It just appears as a muted muddy rust/brown color. I'm convinced that it's a red sided. 100%.

I only showed Scotts pic to illustrate the clear similarities. There are certain characteristics that are clearly congruent with the second two pics. Those similarities clue me in that this is not just another eastern, but rather an uncommon red sided.

Scotts Golden (lacking red) red sided:



Another red sided found not too long ago that doesn't have any red:

And if we get back to the original post, the snake shown is a neonate. could easily be a red sided but then again, many red sideds look like easterns as neonates.