2010 Plans!?

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wow beautifull

[BChambers]

Just saw this thread. My plans are simple-this year I'll be able to breed codom hypo marcianus to codom hypo marcianus for the first time. Supers in my future?

I have two gorgeous female E. Blacknecks I'll be breeding, if I'm successful in locating or collecting a male in time

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Just saw this thread. My plans are simple-this year I'll be able to breed codom hypo marcianus to codom hypo marcianus for the first time. Supers in my future?

I have two gorgeous female E. Blacknecks I'll be breeding, if I'm successful in locating or collecting a male in time

From what I have seen from a similar breeding... there really doesn't seem to be a super! Some of them apparently came out with lighter heads, but I've got a totally unrelated-to-this-project male that blows even those out of the water! The lighter headed ones appeared to be just a small variation from the dark headed ones. And further... what do you think this trait really is? It's not really hypo... so much black going on... it like hypes up the black and white and tones down the other colors... it's definitely some sort of mutation but it's not hypomelanism. Having said that, my codom male is just so weird looking next to my other marci's!

[Mike Spencer]

Okay. My I was going to put everyone down officially on Nov. 15th, but due to cooler than expected temps where I'm keeping them, everybody has been cooled for about 3 weeks now.
Everbody equals:

1.1 Anerytheristic Thamnophis sirtalis concinnus (I don't think I'm breeding my female though. She's just barely on the small side). I'll have lots of het aneries available.
1.3 Thamnophis sirtalis concinnus (all breeders)
0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis inferalis
1.2 Thamnophis sirtalis pickerini ('09 babies, only cooling them for 6 weeks)
0.1 Thamnophis sirtalis concinnus ('09 baby, only cooling for 6 weeks)
0.1 Thamnophis atratus hydrophilus
0.1 Locality striped phase Pituophis catenifer catenifer (Breeding her to a friend's male from my same locality)

Next year's goals. I'll be producing normal, high red, and het anery baby concinnus. I think that is all the breeding I will be doing next spring because I'll have a lot of other herp related things going on.

I'm also hoping to get somewhat back into Lampropeltis species and pick up a few arboreal colubrids. Namely Pseustes and Spilotes.

[BChambers]

From what I have seen from a similar breeding... there really doesn't seem to be a super! Some of them apparently came out with lighter heads, but I've got a totally unrelated-to-this-project male that blows even those out of the water! The lighter headed ones appeared to be just a small variation from the dark headed ones. And further... what do you think this trait really is? It's not really hypo... so much black going on... it like hypes up the black and white and tones down the other colors... it's definitely some sort of mutation but it's not hypomelanism. Having said that, my codom male is just so weird looking next to my other marci's!

Wow-that's a shocker (since I'd heard previously from a couple sources that the codoms did indeed produce a super form). Well, regardless, I'll still be glad to be crossing "hypo-hypo". The normal checkereds in our part of Texas are rather drab.

As for exactly what this gene really is, you're absolutely correct that it is not a true "hypo". Unfortunately I wasn't the one who got to name it-if I was, I'd have called it "pastel". It intensifies the contrast and intensity of the color and pattern just like that gene in ball pythons. Another gene with a similar effect is the "Stillwater Hypo" gene in bullsnakes-but that gene is probably not the same, being a simple recessive.

By the way-if you have surplus offspring from that cool hypoish marcianus this coming season, keep me in mind?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Wow-that's a shocker (since I'd heard previously from a couple sources that the codoms did indeed produce a super form). Well, regardless, I'll still be glad to be crossing "hypo-hypo". The normal checkereds in our part of Texas are rather drab.

As for exactly what this gene really is, you're absolutely correct that it is not a true "hypo". Unfortunately I wasn't the one who got to name it-if I was, I'd have called it "pastel". It intensifies the contrast and intensity of the color and pattern just like that gene in ball pythons. Another gene with a similar effect is the "Stillwater Hypo" gene in bullsnakes-but that gene is probably not the same, being a simple recessive.

By the way-if you have surplus offspring from that cool hypoish marcianus this coming season, keep me in mind?

I will keep you in mind for sure! But I am not sure I am going to breed him this year. When I picked him out from the wholesaler's pile of baby checkereds he had an infection in his left hemipene. His little tail was swelled out... he was hatchling size still... I was actually rather sure he would not make it but I absolutely had to give him a try for $13, since, well, he glowed and all and seemed very alert. I spent weeks inverting that little swollen hemipene each day to apply Gel Tek penicillin, and feeding him with small medicine stuffed fishes... it's actually made for fish to eat but I have found it along with their other products VERY useful, especially if I suspect that a stress related minor URI is brewing, as such was the case with my albino axanthic radix baby when I first received her. I use it to fill the body cavity of a large rosy red and then feed the fish to the snake. My vet has said he would be unable to treat snakes so small, so I figured if a tiny tropical fish can eat 3-4 drops of this stuff it would not hurt to try it with tiny snakes. It has ended up working wonders on more than one occasion and it fully healed but of course he was a slow starter for this reason. He only wanted fish flavors for the longest time! Little brat . I am still on the fence with him about this season. But at least he's still here. In another buyer's hands he probably would have been lost forever!

[BChambers]

Wow- that little guy sure took a lot. I congratulate you on both your patience and skill.
You might just feed him up longer but give him a very brief brumation-that has worked for me with checkereds in the past.

Mike-I'm always jealous of you guys with all the cool sirtalis morphs-these are restricted for those of us down here in Texas, where the entire sirtalis species is protected because of the "threatened" status of the Texas Garter.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Wow- that little guy sure took a lot. I congratulate you on both your patience and skill.
You might just feed him up longer but give him a very brief brumation-that has worked for me with checkereds in the past.

Mike-I'm always jealous of you guys with all the cool sirtalis morphs-these are restricted for those of us down here in Texas, where the entire sirtalis species is protected because of the "threatened" status of the Texas Garter.

That actually sounds like a good idea. I was going to actually try that with my male holdback cherry hypo's, brumating my female full term but keeping the males up for the bulk of it and giving them a short one towards the end of it. Did not even think to try that with the checkered! I have two adult female normals and ideally I wanted to breed the "pastel" to one and the hypoish guy to the other! My poor Mister Mustard, (normal male)... he's not getting any nookie this year... although since he's flaming yellow, if I had a female with yellow I would be pairing him up in a heart beat.... would love to breed for extremely yellow checkereds and then cross it into granites. I see banana Granites in my future

[Mike Spencer]

Wow- that little guy sure took a lot. I congratulate you on both your patience and skill.
You might just feed him up longer but give him a very brief brumation-that has worked for me with checkereds in the past.

Mike-I'm always jealous of you guys with all the cool sirtalis morphs-these are restricted for those of us down here in Texas, where the entire sirtalis species is protected because of the "threatened" status of the Texas Garter.

Yeah, I love the variations of sirtalis too. I have localities for a few different concinnus (including anerytheristics), "Marin Blue" infernalis, white striped infernalis, turquoise infernalis, etc. T. s. fitchi out here don't have a huge variability though.

[ssssnakeluvr]

That actually sounds like a good idea. I was going to actually try that with my male holdback cherry hypo's, brumating my female full term but keeping the males up for the bulk of it and giving them a short one towards the end of it. Did not even think to try that with the checkered! I have two adult female normals and ideally I wanted to breed the "pastel" to one and the hypoish guy to the other! My poor Mister Mustard, (normal male)... he's not getting any nookie this year... although since he's flaming yellow, if I had a female with yellow I would be pairing him up in a heart beat.... would love to breed for extremely yellow checkereds and then cross it into granites. I see banana Granites in my future

gee...you could ship mr mustard out here....got 3 lonely girls....2 are breeding size and no buddy have fun with....