Without further ado... Achromatic!

[BUSHSNAKE]

On the one hand I agree with Joe in the technical sense that this is actually a true axanthic by purist definition, clearly has the yellow pigments removed. As Joe pointed out is very clearly demonstrated in the photo with normal siblings. This is the first garter with a recessive gene that has been demonstrated to only remove yellow, without altering the melanins or other pigments and is truly deserving of the definition/name axanthic.
On the other hand if Mark wants to call it achromatic that is his choice I guess.
Personally, for radix I would rather see this gene called axanthic and what we now call axanthics called blue axanthic (though I have been calling them that for years anyway) and what we call anery be called black axanthic (sorry Joe not ready to call them melanistic because they aren't solid patternless black).
The ball pythons have a black axanthic and is similar.
Just my two cents but to each there own.
BTW- awesome snakes Mark and Dan, congratulations on proving them out. They may be found from different location than Steves, but they look pretty much the same to me. I would guess they would be compatible too. Great work. Personally I would be interested in crossing with the blue axanthic and the black axanthic, especially the black axanthic to see if compatible which I doubt they would be but the combo might be neat anyway. Best of luck with them.

your almost there Jeff lol one day youll realize that a melanistic doesn't have to be patternless black, don't you remember the melanistic eastern that i had that had a pattern that looked just like the "anerys",it was from the ohio population I might add...I posted a picture of it on here so everyone can see melanistics can have pattern.

[Tommytradix]

your almost there Jeff lol one day youll realize that a melanistic doesn't have to be patternless black, don't you remember the melanistic eastern that i had that had a pattern that looked just like the "anerys",it was from the ohio population I might add...I posted a picture of it on here so everyone can see melanistics can have pattern.

my melanistic easterns show a pattern when they are in shed

[Jeff B]

none of them are made from anerys, all the garter snows are albino melanistics

I'm aware...

Not true the iowa snow has the yellow from the iowa albino completely removed and there is not melanin present on that animal like the brownish eastern albino melanistic, demonstrating that the black axanthic does in fact have yellow removing effect, which by definition is axanthic.
I have always said that the black axanthic radix genes phenotype displays both axanthic and melanistic qualities. It is not simply one or the other.

[Tommytradix]

why do some snows express a yellow tint?

[BUSHSNAKE]

Not true the iowa snow has the yellow from the iowa albino completely removed and there is not melanin present on that animal like the brownish eastern albino melanistic, demonstrating that the black axanthic does in fact have yellow removing effect, which by definition is axanthic.
I have always said that the black axanthic radix genes phenotype displays both axanthic and melanistic qualities. It is not simply one or the other.

now the anery is a black axanthic? is the anery red sided a black axanthic too? You can call them what ever you want but the "black axanthic" plains, the anery red sided and the melanistic eastern are all the same morph. They are all black, they are all axanthic and since the red sided has red ill say they are all anery as well. They all have pure black eyes and a white chin and all have created some type of snow. Your saying that axanthics can look different...well so can melanistics, they don't even have to be black. the difference is a axanthic can remove yellow from an albino but the albino removes the black from the melanistic and that's the kind of snows we have today.

[BUSHSNAKE]

my melanistic easterns show a pattern when they are in shed

mine had a pattern all the time, I posted a picture of it, im sure you can find it if you go thru my threads

[BUSHSNAKE]

Not true the iowa snow has the yellow from the iowa albino completely removed and there is not melanin present on that animal like the brownish eastern albino melanistic, demonstrating that the black axanthic does in fact have yellow removing effect, which by definition is axanthic.
I have always said that the black axanthic radix genes phenotype displays both axanthic and melanistic qualities. It is not simply one or the other.

if you wanna compare snows you don't compare a t+ to a t-. compare the Nebraska snow to the schuett snow, they look almost exactly the same