Pied Garters.. Has anyone seen this?

[ssssnakeluvr]

hopefully will turn out more pied than ringer

[Chondro788]

My fingers are crossed for you and the snake owner!!!

[RedSidedSPR]

Ditto, I'd love to see a CB litter of piebalds!

[Jeff B]

hopefully will turn out more pied than ringer

Don I hope it does too, just saying it looks an aweful like a ringer, which is very common and well documented as not pied and not inheritable in BPs. If you do a search of ringer BP you will see what I am talking about.

[ssssnakeluvr]

did a brief image search on google, interesting! will have to read up a little more on it. hopefully it will be different than the balls =)
hopefully we have good luck with the pied hets too!!! Bill will be sending mine out next month with some other snakes.... cant wait!

[Jeff B]

Like Jason said its common with BPs but haven't seen it in colubrids.

[Chondro788]

did a brief image search on google, interesting! will have to read up a little more on it. hopefully it will be different than the balls =)
hopefully we have good luck with the pied hets too!!! Bill will be sending mine out next month with some other snakes.... cant wait!

Must be nice, I never heard back from the guy. I hate when people can't even send a quick, "I'm sorry they are sold out" e-mail. Oh well, you live and learn, and you learn who to do business with and who rubs you the wrong way... I just end up buying Pieds from one of you guys, my friends!

[ConcinusMan]

Money does make the world go round so to speak, but right now my only concern is to keep this gene alive for the hobby's sake, it would be a shame to not one day see piebald garters as a common place in our hobby.

I find that hard to believe. You said yourself what you had given up to get these hets, (it was a lot) and yet all of you balked at the idea of me paying a few hundred dollars for the one and only albino northwestern known in existence. Saying "I would wait". Wait for what? The next opportunity which may never come?

You did it because if you are successful in producing pied garters, you know they'll be worth a fortune. You didn't make that kind of investment because your "only concern is to keep this gene alive for the hobby's sake". That's bull.

And nobody seems to recognize that this albino northwestern is the key to producing all kinds of new morphs. The potential was there to bring new morphs of this species to the hobby and bring them out of obscurity, and yes, even make money, but the attitude about that was completely different and nobody thought I should pay the guys asking price. I simply wanted to preserve that albino gene for the hobby but nobody even shared that concern. My motivation really was to keep the gene alive. Nobody gave a damn, and discouraged me from even trying to buy it.

Now you come along and pay an arm and a leg for hets from a snake that may or may not be a genetic trait and claim you did it to preserve them for the hobby. That's quite hard to swallow. Personally, I don't care why you did it and don't care if it was to make money. I just find your stated reason hard to swallow. Might be a little easier to believe if your "hobby" wasn't a registered business. Pharmaceutical companies invest millions to find new drugs. They sure as heck don't do it to help people get well. There's only one reason they invest so much and we all know what that reason is.

[RedSidedSPR]

True, (seriously, I'm with ya there) but I'm sure the gene-preservation is part of it too. Who doesn't want to keep the pieds going?

A shame too, that you couldnt get that albino, would have loved to have gotten some albino NWs going.

[ConcinusMan]

Well as soon as the guy realized I couldn't come up with 600 bucks and that nobody else I could find was willing to pay that much, (snake was very small in pretty bad shape, but savable) he copped an attitude and I couldn't even get him to talk to me anymore, other than to shoot insults and accusations of trying to rip him off. After that, there's not much anyone can do. He wouldn't even tell me who he sold it to. But anyway, I've already said what happened a bunch of times. Let's not hijack the thread.