I need help IDing this Garter Snake

[mustang]

eastern wow, im gone for a while and non im reading redless red sided blasphamy! what would you all do without me

so what does this redless redisided garter look like?(since this is an eastern)

Great first we debated and inveestigated the piebald garters, now its the redless red sided haha

[RedSidedSPR]

They look like easterns pretty much

Not really, but they look like redsided... just without red.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

If you look on Scott Felzer's website under pricelist and redsided garters he has a pic of the golden red sided garter that don produced.

[guidofatherof5]

I was thinking more of a normal looking T.s.p just without the red.
When I was at the Narsisse dens a few years ago I never saw a single snake without red.
Some were reduced but still red.

[RedSidedSPR]

I know, I don't know how to convince you they exist, but trust me, they do. They look alot like that link I gave you, only NO red, and adult.

[snakehill]

I don't know if I am on the right thread or not. They have an ad for Aquatic Garter Snakes in another sites classified section. That's all it says. What could we be talking about? Any opinions please!

[RedSidedSPR]

Morons again. Link?

[guidofatherof5]

T.atratus

Naturalist: Pacific Coast Aquatic Garter Snake - Willamette University

[RedSidedSPR]

Oh... ok. They're not morons.

[snakehill]

Can't find pictures on that link!