Post pics of your anery red sideds?

[infernalis]

Re: Post pics of your anery red sideds?

OK come on, where are the pictures?

[RdubSnider]

I was under the belief that all the melanistics do have a pattern, even the leopard but is completely masked by the gene which is why sometimes you can see a faint pattern when there in a shed.
When reading this it seemed to me that peoples comments were more of a playful thing.

[RedSidedSPR]

They were. And you are right about the patterns

[BUSHSNAKE]

the leopard was a melanistic that was born with a pattern and it looked liked the so called anery. I was only stating my opinion(when i feel strongly about something that i feel is important i will do so)...and then someone wanted to give me lesson in genes so i answered back...its not like i didnt bring up some valid points on the matter and i have more reasons that back up my claim...im not able to post pics at the moment which also could also be helpful to my claim....PEACE OUT

[RedSidedSPR]

It's my thread, and i'm allowing it Continue

Just kidding, but yeah, there was nothing wrong with what ya said.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

One this is for sure, everyone has valid points to make and nobody can be 100% right, as we have no scientific proof they are what we say they are. It is always a GOOD thing to re-examine things and ask new questions. Especially when we use terms to name morphs that are taken from the scientific community that have a designated purpose, we open ourselves up to scrutiny and cross examination from our peers. This is not a bad thing and it's not a bad thing for anyone to question the naming system currently in place. It is done every day in the scientific community. But again, it's a moot point to argue if we have no proof, either way.

[RdubSnider]

Joe I liked the points you made and would like to see some different pictures when Its possible. I was simply saying that it didn't seem to me like it was anyone disregarding what you was saying but more just throwing some humor in there. Just the way it seemed to me. I always enjoy learning some new info. But if anyone ever took the time and money to scientifically determine these things then I think we all might be shocked by the findings.

[BUSHSNAKE]

thanks Randy

[BUSHSNAKE]

one last thing...it is claimed the red sides and and the plains are anery cuz they have no red...ok plains arent red to begin with..red sides have red between the dorsal and lateral stripes... the dorsal should still be yellow but they are colorless...another similarity to the melanistics and thats why you can create snows...people have been breeding morphs for decades now its not a new science...when you have an albino with yellow(like the ball python)it takes an axanthic to prduce a snow...when you have an albino with red(like a corn)then it takes an anery to produce a snow. working with morphs is kind of like painting...all your doing is adding and taking away pigment, its best to understand your pallet...anery, axanthic, albino, erythristic, leucistic, melanistic, hypo, recessive, co-dom,super(no supers in garters yet)natural or mutation...etc. Peace!

[Jeff B]

"people have been breeding morphs for decades now its not a new science...when you have an albino with yellow(like the ball python)it takes an axanthic to prduce a snow...when you have an albino with red(like a corn)then it takes an anery to produce a snow."
Quote from Joe above
Joe I think you just talked yourself into and verified the justification of the red-sided and plains anerys being called anerys and not melanistic right there. The red-sided albinos have tons of reds and oranges, and when you combine the ANERY gene, that red is completely gone in the resulting SNOW, clear evidence that the ANERY gene has taken the REDs (ery=red, anery=red taken away). I personally could be more on the fence with calling the plains or red-sided anery vs axanthic, since there is also yellows in addition taken away from the red-sided and plains albinos, but it is definately not a best fit to be called melanistic.
The eastern SNOW is not really a snow, if we use the strict definition of a snow is the combo of anery and albino, then it's a melanistic albino combo and part of the reason it is a "dirty" snow is that the Shuett albino is a "dirty" T+albino so it is not a completely melanine destroyed gene like the Iowa albino or the red-sided albino and the other reason is that the melanistic eastern gene wipes out the pattern so you see the dirty T+ albinos purplish/brownish smeared all over.
I think part of what makes these terms contriversial in the garter snake world and confuses us all is that these garter snake genes by appearance don't really fall tightly into the conventional corn snake categories, the garter axanthic/anery genes exibit a crisp black color which could just be just the result of stripping other brown making color pigments leaving only crisp black, (remember reds and greens mixed make brown) or could be the result of those other colors being stripped away AND an increase in melanin. Also garters may produce unique pigments that make greens and blues, that corns and balls have none of. One reason why garters are WAAAAAY more colorful, and have way more different colored morphs, species, subspecies, polymorphic traits, ect that any other snake on the planet.
It's going to be interesting to see what the eastern melanistic gene does in combination with a more wiped out melanin albino (likely T-) like the florida albino. My guess is that you will still see the solid pattern aspect of the melanistic gene in the florida albino melanistic, but that the melanistic gene will not strip or take away any of the yellow from the florida albino, so it will be a solid "dirty" yellowish snake rather than the "dirty" purplish/brownish of the Schuett albino melanistic, and maybe neither snake really desirves to be called a snow, but what we call any of these genes or gene combos, its all symantics really anyway IMHO and either way I think we should just respect the initial call of the person that had the right and priveledge to name them in the first place and just stick with it, it's just easier that way.
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You say neether and I say nyther;
Eether, eyether, neether, nyther,
Let's call the whole thing off!
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You like tomato and I like tomahto;
Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto!
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