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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan-A View Post
    Freezing does absolutely nothing to thiaminase.
    It does make it colder
    Sorry about that, I just had to.
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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    My understanding is that freezing actually causes MORE problems with thiaminase. The freezing process makes the thiaminase more effective at breaking down the vitamins. Plus, if kept frozen for a lengthy period of time, that's just that much longer the thiaminase to accomplish its destructive processes.
    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.

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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    Quote Originally Posted by ConcinnusMan View Post
    I'm not sure why it hasn't been discussed much, but it's perfectly OK to cook fish too, in plain water, and feed it to your snakes. This will also kill parasites and reduce contaminants such as mercury and PCB's. Seriously, it's OK to cook fish in a bit of water, at low temps and feed it to your snakes, as long as they will eat it. Most will. Studies have even shown that your snake can get more energy, at lower metabolic cost, if the meat is cooked first.
    Really? So just put it in water, at what exactly? There's no reason to do this with fish that are already frozen, or feeder guppies (is there?) so i probab;y wont do this...

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan-A View Post
    Freezing does absolutely nothing to thiaminase.
    Never said it did, i just heard somewhere that freezing is better than cooking, but apparently that guy has no idea what he was talking about.

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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    There are a few mentions on the interwebs that cooking for 5 mins @ 80C will destroy thiaminase. Might be something I'll try with some smaller whole frozen fish I can find at the store... Might just make a mess too I dunno
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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Spankenstyne View Post
    There are a few mentions on the interwebs that cooking for 5 mins @ 80C will destroy thiaminase. Might be something I'll try with some smaller whole frozen fish I can find at the store... Might just make a mess too I dunno
    I have always heard snakes cannot digest cooked meat.

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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    I have always heard snakes cannot digest cooked meat.
    Me too. That;s why i said what i said.

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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    I asked that same question a few years ago, and was told on this forum here that snakes could eat cooked meat.
    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey stuff.

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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    good to know..

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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sonya610 View Post
    I have always heard snakes cannot digest cooked meat.
    That's incorrect. It's actually easier for them to digest cooked meat. Keep in mind I am talking about simply placing fillet in a pan, cover it in water and simmer on very low heat for few minutes. What this does is allow some of the mercury and PCB's (or other contaminants) to leach out of the meat. Of course, this also destroys any worm eggs or larvae that might be present.

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    Re: Fish fillets staple diet?

    So should i do it, instead of just feeding them to it?

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