please help me identify my garter snake

[guidofatherof5]

Awesome photos. Thanks for the link, Udo.

[ConcinusMan]

That only confuses the matter more. A snake shown as T. proximus proximus looks just like this snake and one shown as T. proximus orius looks nothing like it. And yet, I keep seeing just the opposite as well. Well I guess we may not know the subspecies but at least we know it's a T. proximus. Maybe

[gregmonsta]

Fons has some interesting photos on his sight:
Thamnophis proximus pictures
Those are inclusive habitat information to confirm subspecies!

There's still a variety of colour forms of both represented. Two for orarius within the first two pictures. As their ranges overlap (and there is the possibility for intergrades) the colours of both seem to become more similar probably due to use of the similar habitats in which certain colour schemes may be more advantageous.
I'm sure my Panama could be questioned also but to me the markers are present (ie - the brownish flecks on her dorso-lateral bar as well as the not so well defined/faded/broken ventro-lateral that is usually very heavy in proximus).
As far as the suspected integrades that are shown I would have named them as one or the other from what I saw.
Lets get a DNA lab on the go .

[snake85]

I see that my subject has attracted considerable investment from you and I thank you warmly. by reading all your posts I can conclude several things, color and appearance dispute over his body (speck, positioning lines) are identical to Thamnophis Proximus like pictures of this website : Thamnophis proximus pictures

I had a doubt made the differance in the number of scales in his mouth but you have explained to me that this could be the case in the same espèce.Donc I think that consolidating all of your message can be said with high probability Thamnophis Proximus for subspecies or it is Orarius Proximus is or may be an intergrade.

I thank you all and I think is great forum with people interested in everything and I like it very much.

Ps/none of you had pictures of garter sauritus which corresponds to my snake. Finally, I hope it will break if a party's reasoning.