san francisco garters

[Stefan-A]

Nevermind, I found the article.

Molecular phylogeography of common garter snakes
(Thamnophis sirtalis) in western North America:
implications for regional historical forces

Skimmed through it, might have missed something, so corrections are appreciated.

The short version of the conclusions (well, one conclusion relevant to this discussion) was that T. sirtalis in the western US are split into three separate groups that are about as closely related to each other, as they are to T. sirtalis further east.

[ConcinusMan]

Oh. That's not what I read. Wish I could find the article. but anyway, we know that sf garters are not a pattern morph of CA red sideds. If they were, you would expect one to give birth and see both patterns.

[Stefan-A]

but anyway, we know that sf garters are not a pattern morph of CA red sideds. If they were, you would expect one to give birth and see both patterns.

Why would you expect that to happen? There are numerous colour morphs of all the other subspecies and they do give birth to offspring that resemble the parents.

[ConcinusMan]

I guess I would expect it because that's what CA kings do?

[charles parenteau]

san francisco pictures
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[Spankenstyne]

Are those yours Charles or are they some shots of the good Dr Phil's collection?
Either way thanks for posting them!

[Snakeknot]

Great thread! I wish San Fran garters weren't endangered. They're a beautiful snake. But at the same time, I'd hate them to show up in pet stores because of their colors. It would definitely be a crime if they were to disappear entirely. I hate developers! They just don't get it!

Devon

[guidofatherof5]

I hate developers! They just don't get it!

Devon

Yes they do. Money! At a great cost.

[infernalis]

I hate developers! They just don't get it!

Devon

Developers care about real estate value and little else.....

[mtolypetsupply]

I hate developers! They just don't get it!

Devon

Developers care about real estate value and little else.....

If no one bought those McMansions all squeezed onto tiny pieces of property, the developers wouldn't be making money on them. I'm not fond of people who want to live right on top of one another who keep those developers in business.