look at my new non-garters

[drache]

has anyone noticed how huge the eyes of these guys are compared to those of the heterodon species

[RZL36]

Yeah, they are much bigger. I guess that is why they are not in Heterodon? Not really sure. Taxonomy rarely makes sense.

[GarterGuy]

Anyone know why they are not in Heterodon?

Probably because they're a south american snake.....seems only north and central american hogs are included in Heterodon. My best guess.

[drache]

Probably because they're a south american snake.....seems only north and central american hogs are included in Heterodon. My best guess.

They're pretty different in many ways
they feel different to hold - much more smooth
their scales are different
their head shape is different
their temp and humidity requirements are different
their temperament is different
I don't see that close a relationship
that's probably why they're a different species