Concinnus?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I sent him a friendly email earlier. He's not buying it.

I totally agree to what you said Shannon!!

I personally don't think they're as dangerous as they say, from my experience feeding them to my adut.

They do have a proven parasite risk though, and that alone is enough toake me stay away... I feed them to my adult as it is my only choice until he finally eats fillet, but I'm 50/50 on it.

any live fish carries a risk of parasites, but then again, so does any filet, or any raw meat what-so-ever. I switch them off live fish for this reason though, as soon as they are willing!

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah. I agree.

[RedSidedSPR]

Pfft. Heres his reply.

"Thanks for your interest, but you must understand that the adults DO look drastically different from the babies."

[kibakiba]

Maybe it's a 3 stripe concinnus, could you show him a picture of a 3-striper?

[RedSidedSPR]

I could. Do his photos look like 3 stripers to you?

[kibakiba]

Yes. They look much like Snap did when she was a baby.
A couple are 1 stripes though, based on the picture. That is what a concinnus litter would look like.

[RedSidedSPR]

Didn't know Snap was a 3 strip, cool.

OK. After he replies I'll show him a picture... When I find one.

[kibakiba]

Yeah, I asked Richard to give me something that I could tell apart. Her stripes on the side are faint, but you can tell they're there. I've also found that a lot of 3 stripers have reduced cheek colour. My mom jokes that Ember stole all of snaps blush...

[RedSidedSPR]

That's cool, 3 stripes are sweet.

[d_virginiana]

I do agree somewhat with what Shannon said as well.. All of the animals included in that study had eaten *very* high thiaminase diets for years and years. The sorts of problems mentioned were the result of long term thiaminase poisoning, which is why it's totally possible for people to use rosy reds, especially with vitamin supplements. You're right that the 'OMG you're going to kill your snakes if they eat one rosy red!' is an overreaction though. Sorry if my first reply came off a bit harsh, but since there haven't been any studies done specifically on snakes showing that it's okay for them to eat high thiaminase diets for a long time, I don't think rosy reds should be recommended feeders just because I do believe it's totally possible for them to cause issues if the owner doesn't supplement or know what they're doing.

Just out of curiosity, if there haven't been any studies done on thiaminase in feeder fish and snakes, how/why was the 'no goldfish or rosy reds' thing started?