Orange Phase Eastern Garter. Is it a dominant gene?

[Mrs N1ntndo]

Ok I was writing when you put that pic up. WOW she looks soooo diferent then Pheobe. But the answer might help but seeing that they look way different I dont know. sorry . But you do have a beautiful snake.

[ConcinusMan]

Here's a few pics of her, she doesn't look orange but believe me when I tell you in person and next to my other easterns she's very orange. My camera is making me look like a liar lol I almost took pics of my other yellow ones so you could see the difference.

PS view below one post to see a much more accurate picture of her colour

I would say that's a normal eastern and what I said about the color would apply. Shannon was talking specifically about flames and that is not polygenic but does some variance in shade and intensity. Like she was saying, it depends on what is causing the color. In your case, the orange snake is just a normal and the color is the result of polymorphism. He could have come from a litter that produced snakes that were variable in color and pattern. He just happened to come out orange as he matured. Other siblings of his might have turned out to look more typical of what you find in the area.

[Philminator]

I would say that's a normal eastern and what I said about the color would apply. Shannon was talking specifically about flames and that is not polygenic but does some variance in shade and intensity. Like she was saying, it depends on what is causing the color. In your case, the orange snake is just a normal and the color is the result of polymorphism. He could have come from a litter that produced snakes that were variable in color and pattern. He just happened to come out orange.

ok great and what you mentioned earlier still applies I assume where by if I keep the brightest orange of the babies and if they bred later they could end up having brighter orange.

[ConcinusMan]

You could line breed for orange, yes. Or outcross with unreleated orange snakes and select the orangest offspring and use those for the next generation, and so on...

This is how the deep, intense red, high-end flames were created.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I would say that's a normal eastern and what I said about the color would apply. Shannon was talking specifically about flames and that is definitely not polymorphism responsible for their color.

no, i was talking about flames AND flame-type-oranges, the orange easterns that have orange running the entire length of their body, and most of them also have orange on both sides of their belly. I can see that the photos are skewed a bit, colorwise, fading out her color but she does look like one of those classic orange canadians, beautiful snakes! and Flame is a polygenic effect, it's not simply on and off, you get NICE flames, then you get some that are in between, then some that are barely red or orange at all... and then of course the only way to breed really nice flames is selectively, by selecting individuals with the nicest red or orange pigment.

[Philminator]

This is how the deep, intense red, high-end flames were created.

oh wow so as generations of bright bright orange get bred they eventually get to the point where they are red or you mean the same concept applied to the light reds that were line bred over generations where eventually they were flaming red. So I could eventually get bright orange but not likely to ever go red though huh

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

oh wow so as generations of bright bright orange get bred they eventually get to the point where they are red or you mean the same concept applied to the light reds that were line bred over generations where eventually they were flaming red. So I could eventually get bright orange but not likely to ever go red though huh

I have seen orange flames come from red flames, but not the other way around. The flaming red flames came from animals that were caught that actually were already quite flaming red (like the snakes that charles has caught) Selective breeding can lead to better looking snakes down the road, but there is always the troubles of introducing fresh blood without weakening the coloration. I don't think you will ever get reds from an orange line like that, but it's possible to selectively breed the orangest animals over generations to get a premium line of orange.

[ssssnakeluvr]

here's my orange eastern...bred a couple years ago, had a nice orange one at birth, but the few babies died.

[guidofatherof5]

Sweet looking orange snakes.

[ConcinusMan]

Indeed. And another good example of a Canadian eastern garter.