Codom Hypo? Then explain this....

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

If pastel were incomplete dominant then it would have to have a super form. It was thought that there was a super form when pastel x pastel yielded some babies with slightly lighter heads, until my clutches popped out, which were pastel x normal, and I got babies that were even lighter and brighter than what were suspected super forms. The only way to prove out a super form is to breed the suspected super to a totally normal animal and if you got all pastels, then it would be proven that there is a super pastel. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened to anyone yet, not even when you take a really awesome baby, grow it up and breed it. The thing you are mentioning with the "pastels" having a basically normal phenotype (kinda like a sable ball python, looks close to normal) and the "super pastels" having the weird light colored appearance could have worked, and is a good idea, except for visual pastels produce some normal babies so they can't be a super form.

[ConcinusMan]

Well then that leaves us in this position...



I get the feeling that the blue anery morph concinnus' are going to leave us doing this too, after a few years of captive breeding. Just a feeling.

[BChambers]

But even as adults, however much they brown out, my Pastels have retained an aberrant head and neck pattern. As you can see, the normal-looking trio above all sport an equally normal marcianus head pattern.

[ConcinusMan]

Meum cerebrum nocet

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

But even as adults, however much they brown out, my Pastels have retained an aberrant head and neck pattern. As you can see, the normal-looking trio above all sport an equally normal marcianus head pattern.

And most of them do... If they are born with q screwy head pattern they keep it... Likewise with the Labial marks. I have had a few that didn't have the aberrant head pattern, but still had the neck pattern and were quite clearly pastels at birth. Richards female is an example of this! The snake in the first picture of your trio looks very bright and clean. Any chance it is a pastel lacking some aberrancy? I mean to me it looks like a bright normal, but if it actually were a pastel in disguise it would not surprise me.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Okay so I guess what it boils down to is this... By your breeding results, this morph should clearly be simple recessive. By mine, it couldn't be simple recessive, unless my wild caught female and the unrelated albino were both somehow, hets... And you'd think that would be a one in a million shot! My original male was purchased as a "condom hypo" and I am pretty sure that was 2008 as well!

[BChambers]

Ok, I can't prove that top male isn't an ugly hypo without head aberrancies, though I don't think it is. I guess the next step is to catch a couple wild females and mate them to a male Pastel next spring. Will do.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Ok, I can't prove that top male isn't an ugly hypo without head aberrancies, though I don't think it is. I guess the next step is to catch a couple wild females and mate them to a male Pastel next spring. Will do.

hehehe... awwww shucks.. he's not ugly!!! He's beautiful

[kibakiba]

No garter snake is ugly. I don't care if a snake looks like a giant piece of rotting poop... It's pretty!

(only when it's a snake.. I don't like rotting poop at all)