I'm a Santa Cruz girl!

[Mix]

And finally, I can reveal the elusive....

Silver!


And more!


And a curly Laguna


Sorry about the poor quality, I had to brighten the heck out of the second one, just to see her.
But, you can kinda see a bit of the bluey shade on the closeup of Laguna. Wish it were clearer.

[ConcinusMan]

They remind me so much of northwesterns it's not even funny. One of these times I'm going to find one that is a "mock atratus" and you guys will see. The resemblance is uncanny.

[kibakiba]

They do look a lot like northwesterns, just without the side colouring. They even have the facial shape of them.... Making them adorable as heck

[ConcinusMan]

I find solid brown, grey, or black ones with no markings other than a single dorsal stripe all the time Chantel. In fact, last spring I found a decent sized female that looked just like that atratus except of course, no blue/green thing going on, and she was dark chocolate brown. Still, she looked a lot like an atratus. A lot like that atratus. That's what I'll do, I'll get a line of mock atratus' going.

[kibakiba]

Around here, they have a distinct tan colour on their sides. I've seen a pure black one here but I don't think it was a garter. Maybe a small snake. I have seen ones in different areas with a different colour. I've never seen one here without the tan stripe.

[ConcinusMan]

You find another pure black one and you've hit the jackpot. I'll pay good money for that. It was likely a melanistic northwestern. good morph breeding potential if you have a melanistic. Heck, they're cool just as they are. There really is no other snake you would find where you live, that is all black. Had to be a melanistic garter snake.

[kibakiba]

Maybe a melanistic other kind of snake I guess it sucks I fell into a thorn bush trying to catch it. I have a thing for dark snakes, I guess I still have that gothy teen sort of thing going on with the snakes Guess I'll be out looking for the little black one when I'm also looking for others... Somehow, I hope I don't find any snakes... I'll get attached. Haha.

[ConcinusMan]

We're off topic and sorta hijacking. I'll put my reply to that ^^^ in the oh so quiet thread.

[Mix]

I don't mind the hijacking, always happy to be hearing about melanistics!

Don had a melanistic ordinoides a while back:
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/gene...-new-pics.html

And I think I might be adding an anery red-sided to my wishlist...

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah I know. They're relatively common, as are axanthic and/or anerythristic ones. Just like the melanistic easterns, if you know where to look you can find quite a few of them. I'm still searching for my new melanistic ordinoides population. The population where I used to find them fell victim to the bulldozer.