San francisco garters?

[RepGuru]

thanks for that link - a very informative article indeed although the numbers os specimens seems badly outdated. My own desire to obtain a couple of specimens in England has so far been unsuccessful. Just one opportunity came my way but the price was just off the reasonable scale!!

[PINJOHN]

it might be best to be cautious when it comes to san frans its being claimed that in the UK at least, some are unexpectedly dyeing at around two years of age,
i would recommend contacting Alan Francis as he knows his stuff, and he gets his garters from as wide a source as possible, he is very friendly and helpful.

[RedSidedSPR]

Man, i started this thread so long ago i forgot it was mine... who decided wake it from the dead?

[infernalis]

... who decided wake it from the dead?

Not sure, but it brought to mind a discussion I have had with a construction worker from California.

He told me about how they have to gather all the snakes they can possibly find prior to breaking ground for a job site.

The snakes are relocated to a safer habitat.

He also indicated to me that there is many acres of private land with populations of tetrataenia that are not being counted in the government census research (population estimates)

Since I cannot vouch for word of mouth information, I do not endorse that statement, but it does sound like it could be valid.

[RedSidedSPR]

hmmm.. at least they're moving the snakes. Wouldn't do that here. I guess it's only because they're endangered

[RepGuru]

Yes I'm aware of this problem. The one's I was offered were from someone ultra reliable and trustworthy. He would not risk his reputation by selling on animals with any problems at all. The asking price was insane so I'm still looking.....!

[ConcinusMan]

Price always has been, and always will be "insane" if you're still looking for a SF garter specifically.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'm not. Never really was.

[ConcinusMan]

Wasn't really talking to you. See the post immediately above.

[BUSHSNAKE]

even if we were able to get them from Europe who would want a multiple generation inbred animal?...cuz its pretty? Then i heard someone in Germany wanted to accuire a wildcaught tetratenia and he also says "Stop commercial collecting of gartersnake" no matter how many tetratenia are produced in captivity it isnt gonna change their status in the wild, thats why there are laws...laws? YES LAWS many people think garters dont get the protection they need...but indeed they do