Major bummer

[BUSHSNAKE]

good question concinnusman, find a gravid female, and when she has babies and depending how they look maybe itll be more clear or do some test breedings

[BUSHSNAKE]

thanks Jeff, sounds like your trying to discredit me, is that what your trying to do?

[Jeff B]

Not at all Joe, but lots of people have thought of these crosses since the original base morphs exsisted, Scott and I talked about it two years ago, who thought of it first I don't know? and I don't think it matters. Untill it's produced its all speculation and pipe dreaming anyway.

[Jeff B]

This is likely an example of isolated or "pocket" population genetics. The genes (rather than a single gene mutation) for less color have been selected or have dominated that population for what ever reason, could be the brighter colored ones were more easily seen and preyed upon, or could just be that a few mutations for less color that are dominant or co-dominant to the brighter reds occured over time and accumulated and became the overwhelming prevelant phenotype in the population in that area due to a lack of outside population genes in that particular area.
However its certainly possible that it is a single point mutation, likely co-dom or dom that has spread, accumulated, and become the most prevelant phenotype in that isolated population to the point that it is essentially the "wild type". There is only one way to find out, breeding trials outcrossing to other snakes with the more normal red from some other location, at least 2 or 3 generations would be required likely to prove or disprove that it is a single heritable gene and what type of inhertance pattern it exhibits.

[BUSHSNAKE]

sorry Jeff, Im just giving you a hard time

[ConcinusMan]

Even if you call the erythristic a co-dom gene, the calculation is actually 3 in 64 to produce a erythristic snow from this pairing, which would be 2 homogygous recessives (albino and melanistic) plus a co-dom gene (erythristic).
But re-read my post Joe, I don't think it is that simple, because I am not convinced that the erythristic is a single point co-dominant trait, the evidence points more to polygenic inheritance.

For some dang reason, after playing around with the advanced genetics wizard, I now understand what he's saying. Depending on the number of genes involved in making orange on concinnus,(could be a yellow gene and a red gene) red on any other snake, and whether or not the genes are dominant or co-dominant, the chances of introducing red and producing a red snow are...

Well, I'm let's just say I'm not placing any bets in favor of that happening. I've also had doubts that this "christmas" iowa albino is something that you can breed to another iowa to produce hets for that "christmas" trait especially if the orange coloring is the result of polygenic inheritance but scott would have to set me straight on that. He has the proven breeding and yet was still surprised by that morph.