okay this is ...

[Snake lover 3-25]

finally pics!!!!

[Zephyr]

simple
if you're willing to do all that, then it's the right snake

lol
Logic at its best. :P
Let's say he found a glowing green albino garter snake. XD

[Zephyr]

Looks like a painted, Shannon. :P
And nice new garter. She's a little dirty from brumation isn't she? :O

[Snake lover 3-25]

so i went up to take some pics of the new snake... only to find that he(there seemed to be no intrest what-so-ever in my other male) had escaped over the devider and into sooty's place... good thing they're both males... but here are the pics of him and the turtle too Sooooo cute!!!!!!

[Snake lover 3-25]

yes actually i just gave him a bath and he's better now but he seems to have some kind of stuff on his head... he's too scared for me to try and get off... but i'll try before i release him...

[Zephyr]

Any tail pics? Are you 185% sure they're males? The head size is saying female to me... What's the length of both of those guys/gals?

[Snake lover 3-25]

okay... wasn't expecting that... he ate some tilapia and the worms that i put with him... cool... now i'll get him really fat before release... he'll hopefully meet a nice female and make lots of babies for me to catch one day...

[Zephyr]

Hmm... I'm not so sure those are males if they're eating already. I have never kept or seen a wild male snake fresh out of brumation show any interest in food or any signs of having eaten something until after their first shed, in which they would lose the dirt along with the old skin.

[Snake lover 3-25]

both about 20" but i think his head just looks big because he is VERY thin... all of them seem to be this year... most likely cause our winter started in november and ended in april....

[Zephyr]

I'm still not entirely convinced... Any tail pics?