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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    Stefan,
    You did a great job of explaining how it could happen without approving it. Your interpretation was clear and well thought out. Good job, and thanks to Thamnophis for enlightening all of us about the way frog legs are processed .

    I mentioned on another thread that I often feed my garter snakes scraps of caribou meat. It's from animals that I've personally killed and processed. Many people would find hunting distasteful, but I consider it a personal and private way to provide extremely healthy and well-cared for meat for myself and my family. Perhaps, as GarterGuy suggested, the difference lies in the way that the animal is killed. The goal of most hunters is to make a quick and clean kill and to pass up shot opportunities that might lead to suffering or a wounded animal. That shows respect for the animal and provides a great deal of satisfaction. I think THAT's where the difference lies between hunting and providing frog legs... It's the respect shown for the animal during the kill.
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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    Quote Originally Posted by Cazador View Post
    Stefan,
    You did a great job of explaining how it could happen without approving it. Your interpretation was clear and well thought out. Good job, and thanks to Thamnophis for enlightening all of us about the way frog legs are processed .

    I mentioned on another thread that I often feed my garter snakes scraps of caribou meat. It's from animals that I've personally killed and processed. Many people would find hunting distasteful, but I consider it a personal and private way to provide extremely healthy and well-cared for meat for myself and my family. Perhaps, as GarterGuy suggested, the difference lies in the way that the animal is killed. The goal of most hunters is to make a quick and clean kill and to pass up shot opportunities that might lead to suffering or a wounded animal. That shows respect for the animal and provides a great deal of satisfaction. I think THAT's where the difference lies between hunting and providing frog legs... It's the respect shown for the animal during the kill.
    Rick
    I don't disagree with GarterGuy, but as I see it, it's also the culture we live in that gives a high priority to the reduction of animal suffering. The western civilization is a civilization of pet lovers and it's relatively easy for us to identify with the animals we keep. But you really don't have to go that far back either to find a generation that had no problems with using what would now be considered questionable methods of killing animals. Less than 50 years ago (and by this I mean that it was the rule rather than the exception it is now) rabbits were killed by breaking their necks (by hand) or you crushed their skulls, now you either give them an injection, or you use CO2 or electricity. In fact, you don't have to go back at all, all you have to do is have a look at how snakes are usually killed and compare it to how snake keepers kill them.

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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    It all has to do with respect for living creatures.
    But we must not think we are more catholic than the pope.

    My only intention was to let people know how frogs are butchered.
    And everyone decides for himself/herself what to do with this information.
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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    Quote Originally Posted by Cazador View Post
    I mentioned on another thread that I often feed my garter snakes scraps of caribou meat. It's from animals that I've personally killed and processed. Many people would find hunting distasteful, but I consider it a personal and private way to provide extremely healthy and well-cared for meat for myself and my family. Perhaps, as GarterGuy suggested, the difference lies in the way that the animal is killed. The goal of most hunters is to make a quick and clean kill and to pass up shot opportunities that might lead to suffering or a wounded animal. That shows respect for the animal and provides a great deal of satisfaction. I think THAT's where the difference lies between hunting and providing frog legs... It's the respect shown for the animal during the kill.
    Rick
    I agree/disagree. I just went deer hunting and shot my first deer just above the back legs. It was trying to move when my dad had to shoot it twice and it still wasn't dead. A lot of people would think that that is cruel. The hunter doesn't neccessarily try to kill it fast (not at first anyways), you try to keep it in one spot until you can get over there and kill it. Just my opinion on it though.
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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    Quote Originally Posted by abcat1993 View Post
    The hunter doesn't neccessarily try to kill it fast (not at first anyways), you try to keep it in one spot until you can get over there and kill it. Just my opinion on it though.
    I don't know a single hunter that would even consider hunting like that.

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    I didn't mean that you don't try to kill it but that happened to all of the deer between the 5 deer that my dad, me, and my dad's friend shot
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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    Well that's exactly what it sounded like.

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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    I probably should have thought about that post a little more.
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    Re: Uncommon Snake Foods

    Hi Matt,
    Congratulations on getting your first deer! I'm sure you didn't mean to shoot it in the best section of meat in the upper legs/rump. You probably meant to make a clean one-shot kill, and I'm sure that with more experience you'll be able to do so in the future. I'm also sure that you were proud of your kill, but you'd be even more proud if you made a clean one in order to minimize the suffering that your deer experienced. I bet that you'll spend a little more time at the rifle range improving your shooting skills over the next year, and I sincerely hope you get the satisfaction of making a clean, one-shot kill next year. You'll feel much better about it, I promise. Kind regards,
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    It was actually a shotgun but I do need to go to the range. I missed 5 shots before I shot it
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