breeding garters

[Tommytradix]

Oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me. So then what were the quad hets on felzers page? Sorry for all the questions

[Jeff B]

Oh ok thanks for clearing that up for me. So then what were the quad hets on felzers page? Sorry for all the questions

What Scott refers to as quad hets--he means they are "het" for Nebraska albino, Iowa albino, Iowa snow, and Nebraska snow. Saying they are quad hets, referring to the 4 phenotypes possible in their offspring, is a bit of a misnomer, but to each there own, and quite frankly more people understand this than my technically correct version below.

Personally I would call them triple hets--because their genotype is heterozygous for: 1.Nebraska albino (T+ gene), 2.Iowa albino (T- gene), and 3.anerythristic gene. Heterozygous for 3 genes.
While this is the technically and scientifically correct nomenclature to describe the genotype, I end up explaining this to more people and then in the end when someone asks, "so can they make two different kinds of snow" and I tell them "yes they can" and they say "so they are het for snow" I basically give in and reluctantly say " yes aka het snow".
My point being scientifically correct doesn't have any value if it has no meaning to the audience. So generally, when I sell a multi-het snake I usually post the correct genotype and also add aka " het snow" or whatever, so that if you my audience prefers correct genotype they get that, and if they relate to phenotype possibilities in offspring they have that information as well.

[Tommytradix]

What Scott refers to as quad hets--he means they are "het" for Nebraska albino, Iowa albino, Iowa snow, and Nebraska snow. Saying they are quad hets, referring to the 4 phenotypes possible in their offspring, is a bit of a misnomer, but to each there own, and quite frankly more people understand this than my technically correct version below.

Personally I would call them triple hets--because their genotype is heterozygous for: 1.Nebraska albino (T+ gene), 2.Iowa albino (T- gene), and 3.anerythristic gene. Heterozygous for 3 genes.
While this is the technically and scientifically correct nomenclature to describe the genotype, I end up explaining this to more people and then in the end when someone asks, "so can they make two different kinds of snow" and I tell them "yes they can" and they say "so they are het for snow" I basically give in and reluctantly say " yes aka het snow".
My point being scientifically correct doesn't have any value if it has no meaning to the audience. So generally, when I sell a multi-het snake I usually post the correct genotype and also add aka " het snow" or whatever, so that if you my audience prefers correct genotype they get that, and if they relate to phenotype possibilities in offspring they have that information as well.

i understand exactly what your saying. and i think they idenitify with the term het snow cause thier more popular than anery personally i prefer anery over snow and dont really use the term het anery. last year i bred albino het anery x albino het anery and didnt produce any anery about 1/4 of the litter was snow and 3/4 albino lol thats the main reason i started saying het snow. i just did a snow x anery pairing so can i expect half snow and half anery? every time i think something is going to happen it turns out to be different i bred a pair that is double het for albino and anery and produced different results every time the last time i bred them i got 11 albinos 6 snows 3 normal looking phenotype and 1 anery the first time i got 11 albinos and the rest were normal looking

[Jeff B]

i understand exactly what your saying. and i think they idenitify with the term het snow cause thier more popular than anery personally i prefer anery over snow and dont really use the term het anery. last year i bred albino het anery x albino het anery and didnt produce any anery about 1/4 of the litter was snow and 3/4 albino lol thats the main reason i started saying het snow. i just did a snow x anery pairing so can i expect half snow and half anery? every time i think something is going to happen it turns out to be different i bred a pair that is double het for albino and anery and produced different results every time the last time i bred them i got 11 albinos 6 snows 3 normal looking phenotype and 1 anery the first time i got 11 albinos and the rest were normal looking

Tommy,
Your first breeding you referenced"last year i bred albino het anery x albino het anery and didnt produce any anery about 1/4 of the litter was snow and 3/4 albino lol thats the main reason i started saying het snow.
Your breeding in red cannot produce anerythristics, please google punnet square and learn why not.

The second breeding you referenced"i bred a pair that is double het for albino and anery and produced different results every time the last time i bred them i got 11 albinos 6 snows 3 normal looking phenotype and 1 anery the first time i got 11 albinos and the rest were normal looking"
The result 6 snow,11 albino, 1 anery, 3 normal is reasonable for what is the expected probability ratio is 1:1:1:1
The results of 11 albinos and the rest (?number) is not impossible but would be suspect that the male that did the breeding was actually an albino either introduced by you or by the person that had her before you, unless you raiser her.

[Tommytradix]

thanks and the male came from a friend who got him from scott same male both times. my snow x anery breeding will produce anery though right cause the male is viaually anery?

[BUSHSNAKE]

Attachment 11797Attachment 11798i can picture them lol

WHERE?? all i see are dark looking easterns LOL...dude if wanna believe those are anerythristic then go for it i just thought it would be nice for you to hear another point of view.

[BUSHSNAKE]

The granite checkered is one of my favorites. I had to slim down my collection, do to time constraints, but I plan to get some again someday to work with. The pastel is a suttle morph.

mine too...i cant believe you got rid of those Jeff, i was wanting some granites but i have enough projects to keep me busy for a long time

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Oh no, not again! Lol! Who knows what's really going on with this color phase/morph. What's strange with mine is out of my f1's around half of them colored up to be just black and blue with some white under the chin and still a visual pattern. I don't know that i would call them anery since it don't appear to be a recessive trait, but since the Mohr and West Virginia are labeled as anery and they look very similar to the anery redsideds and plains I can see why they were labeled anery to keep down the confusion. (of course you don't consider the anery red sideds and the anery plains anery either do you Joe? You also don't consider the blue axanthic axanthic either do you?) In my opinion without further genetic testing we don't really know about half of the morphs we work with, but can only label them as accurate as we can determine from breeding results and appearance this will be my first year breeding siblings together so we will just have to see what pops out. The cool thing is some of them look kind of like the blue axanthic plains and some look like the anery plains (very dark).I can't wait to see what the f1's bred together will produce.

where?? All i see are dark looking easterns lol...dude if wanna believe those are anerythristic then go for it i just thought it would be nice for you to hear another point of view.

[Tommytradix]

Oh no, not again! Lol! Who knows what's really going on with this color phase/morph. What's strange with mine is out of my f1's around half of them colored up to be just black and blue with some white under the chin and still a visual pattern. I don't know that i would call them anery since it don't appear to be a recessive trait, but since the Mohr and West Virginia are labeled as anery and they look very similar to the anery redsideds and plains I can see why they were labeled anery to keep down the confusion. (of course you don't consider the anery red sideds and the anery plains anery either do you Joe? You also don't consider the blue axanthic axanthic either do you?) In my opinion without further genetic testing we don't really know about half of the morphs we work with, but can only label them as accurate as we can determine from breeding results and appearance this will be my first year breeding siblings together so we will just have to see what pops out. The cool thing is some of them look kind of like the blue axanthic plains and some look like the anery plains (very dark).I can't wait to see what the f1's bred together will produce.

do you have photos of them?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

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do you have photos of them?