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    Adult snake Greg'sGarters's Avatar
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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Eastern Garter Snakes are some of the hardest snakes to classify as a morph because the normal coloration has a VERY EXTREMELY WIDE RANGE!!! I once caught a garter snake that was literally a hot pink color. But she was still a normal. If you TRULY believe that this is a morph, you should get a standard normal, breed the 2 together, and breed the babies together. If the 3rd generation babies come out looking like this snake, you have a morph, if they come out looking normal, you have a nicely colored snake. Remember, it is very hard almost impossible to claim a morph in an eastern garter that has not been proven out through breeding. Hope this helps!
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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg'sGarters View Post
    Eastern Garter Snakes are some of the hardest snakes to classify as a morph because the normal coloration has a VERY EXTREMELY WIDE RANGE!!! I once caught a garter snake that was literally a hot pink color. But she was still a normal. If you TRULY believe that this is a morph, you should get a standard normal, breed the 2 together, and breed the babies together. If the 3rd generation babies come out looking like this snake, you have a morph, if they come out looking normal, you have a nicely colored snake. Remember, it is very hard almost impossible to claim a morph in an eastern garter that has not been proven out through breeding. Hope this helps!

    A dominant trait will prove out in the first year of breeding so this isn't necessarily true. I agree that it is a normal but none the less selective breeding could produce a killer looking snake. I would be curious to see pics of a hot pink snake.... I just don't believe it....
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    I like snakes! mikem's Avatar
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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Those stripes really do glow in person! Good luck with him, he's an awesome looking snake
    mike

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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Unfortunately the hot pink garter died. I didn't know anything about brumation and she died while I was brumating her. This was 2 years ago.

    A dominant trait will prove out in the first year of breeding so this isn't necessarily true. I agree that it is a normal but none the less selective breeding could produce a killer looking snake. I would be curious to see pics of a hot pink snake.... I just don't believe it....
    I don't know of any dominant garter snake morphs though.
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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greg'sGarters View Post
    Unfortunately the hot pink garter died. I didn't know anything about brumation and she died while I was brumating her. This was 2 years ago.



    I don't know of any dominant garter snake morphs though.
    The flame and erythristic morphs of the eastern garter can be reproduced in the first generation.
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    Adult snake Greg'sGarters's Avatar
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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Oh, wow. Never knew that flame and erythristic were dominant. Although in this case, we are sure that this isn't a flame or erythristic if any morph at all
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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    I will be breeding him this year! I think i may breed him to this girl and a few normals.


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    Quote Originally Posted by greg'sgarters View Post
    eastern garter snakes are some of the hardest snakes to classify as a morph because the normal coloration has a very extremely wide range!!! I once caught a garter snake that was literally a hot pink color. But she was still a normal. If you truly believe that this is a morph, you should get a standard normal, breed the 2 together, and breed the babies together. If the 3rd generation babies come out looking like this snake, you have a morph, if they come out looking normal, you have a nicely colored snake. Remember, it is very hard almost impossible to claim a morph in an eastern garter that has not been proven out through breeding. Hope this helps!
    Bluesirtalis

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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Soo grey!
    It will be interesting to see which, if either of the parents they resemble.
    My Abby is an absolutely middle of the road normal, and all the other garters I've seen in the apiary I found her in arevery similar, so if I get washed out or red babies, its all daddy's doing.

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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Quote Originally Posted by BUSHSNAKE View Post
    looks 100% normal to me
    Exactly what I was thinking. Nice color though! Pretty snake.



    Quote Originally Posted by twgrosmick View Post
    I would be curious to see pics of a hot pink snake.... I just don't believe it....
    I've seen a "pastel" shade of pink on an eastern before.

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    Re: Possible red hypo?

    Question: Is a "morph" only a morph is it caused by a genetic mutation? I ask because I'm confused about the flame "morph". Weren't they created by selectively breeding redder normals?
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