And then there was a new morph?

[guidofatherof5]

[QUOTE=Dan72;209399]

Me too, but Steve's are hardly a "line" just yet.

Steve, you have a B&W radix "line". Are there pics in a post somewhere......

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/gene...w-radixes.html

[chris-uk]

I'm a little more optimistic, for both this new potential morph and three B&W radix. Both need to be proved out, but when there are multiple births of a new phenotype in a single litter the odds are better that it's a heritable trait. We'll just have to be patient and hope for good news over the next few years.
If only they bred like fruit flies, it would make new discoveries quicker to work with. But that would kill the excitement, right!

[reptileparadise]

First of all, there´s no longer five of these beauties…. Its six now Apparantly, the female had one up her sleeve and it turned out to be silvery as well!
So, total score is first litter of ’09 girl, containing 19 healthy young of which 6 silvery/anery.

We noticed (even though they hide a lot, being only hours old…) we noticed there is some variation in colors, ranging from truly silverish to a bit more browned out.

Look forward to the next two months and 4/6 sheds to see how things will turn out!
Like Chris said, we´re a bit more optimistic about genetics. Due to the fact that its not a one of a kind animal (but 6 of a kind, in one litter), we’re expecting it will turn out recessive. But then again, we’ve decided not to speculate to much about this and just enjoy the creatures on their own.


@Steve/ConcinnusMan;
Indeed, this is not a line. This is a mutation that needs to be proven out… Our line is a high red line which was created by just about a decade of linebreeding…, this is random, but might be bred into our line to reduce the black pigment in the silverish animals...

@Dan72/Chris; Yes, it will be test bred. We will be making the exact same pairing next year which will reveal A LOT about the genetics in our opinion. If more pop up next year, we might have a nice recessive trait on our hands, which will be proven the year after (hopefully) when/if we can put a male back to its mom….

We will be holding back the entire clutch for at least two more years until we’ve seen how/what the males produce when bred back to their mom.
Will decide what to do from there on…..
Now, to enjoy, watch and be excited!

[Invisible Snake]

Wow your going to breed the males with their mom?

[ConcinusMan]

when there are multiple births of a new phenotype in a single litter the odds are better that it's a heritable trait.

oh, i agree. there is high potential.

[chris-uk]

Wow your going to breed the males with their mom?

There's not a lot of choice when you are trying to prove a recessive trait. Breeding a male back with the mother is a better option than breeding two siblings.

[Invisible Snake]

There's not a lot of choice when you are trying to prove a recessive trait. Breeding a male back with the mother is a better option than breeding two siblings.

Thanks for letting me know . I still have a lot to learn about genetics.

[reptileparadise]

Yup, I agree with Chris....

To put it simple, you could look at it like this....
When breeding siblings to each other, both are carying the same genetic information received from the father and from their mother.

When breeding a son back to its mom, the son is carrying the genes received from mom, plus genes received from dad (who is normaly not related to the mother, thus having ca. 50% unrelated genes).
In this case, both father and mother have the same father (F1), but still there's a bigger unrelated factor...

[ConcinusMan]

Well explained.

[Dan72]

Out of the six how many males/females? If the plan is to put the males back to the mother, would females when they're ready go back to the father, or is this never done and there will just be new plans for the girls? I know a good looking snake when I see one but getting a grip on how all this breeding and genetics stuff works is going to take some homework.