Can different subspecies conceive of spring?

[Jeff B]

What's done is done but I would never house different sexed different species together. Nature finds a way to continue things on. No offense but I hope the mating didn't take and no hybrids are born.

Couldn't agree more. Very tactfully stated Steve.

[Speedmark]

Oke I got an e-mail back from Steven.

I'll translate it.


Hello Steven,

Some time ago I bought a pair virgatenuis from you, at that time you said that it was fine to house my infernalis and virgatenuis together.
So I did that and it went fine.

Only a shame that my male infernalis has no interest in my female but so be it, next year better.

But my infernalis female just shed and I saw that my virgatenuis male was locked and mating with my infernalis female.

I think you said that they can't get offspring together, but now I'm beginning to doubt that, that's why I'm sending this mail.
I'd gladly hear from you.

Greetings Mark.



Hi Mark, I didn't expect that because they are not closely related... bummer. Or your infernalis already mated and you missed it, or you are going to get hybrids. You can't do anything with those.

Like I explained to you before I often house 2 different specie pairs together, and 9,9 times of 10 if both males and females are in good shape they'll keep it with their own species. The only times I got hybrids (not wanted) were if 1 of the 2 genders was not in the right condition to breed...

Then It's wise to house them apart I fear...

BTW The offspring could be very beautiful...

Either way make some pictures...

Greetings. Steven (and I'm sorry)


This is roughly translated so some words are different than in my language.

I have not asked him for premission so keep this mail on this forum/Thread please.

[Tommytradix]

I would expect babies from that pairing

yea me too. looks pretty official ahha

[Albert Clark]

Mark, hi. Did you subject either or both of them to a cooling period at any time prior to or after housing them together? Also, at anytime b4 pairing them?

[Speedmark]

Mark, hi. Did you subject either or both of them to a cooling period at any time prior to or after housing them together? Also, at anytime b4 pairing them?

Yes both species had a cooling period.
The younger ones a smaller time period but yes they had one.

They were housed together before the cooling.
After the cooling there was no mating.
A few months later/ now they mated.
Maybe because the weather is getting a little better.

[Albert Clark]

Yes both species had a cooling period.
The younger ones a smaller time period but yes they had one.

They were housed together before the cooling.
After the cooling there was no mating.
A few months later/ now they mated.
Maybe because the weather is getting a little better.

Wow! Probably a combination of factors why they bred. I asked bc i was hoping that one or both were not conditioned enough to be reproductive. Just as Steve mentioned. Hopefully no hybrids will be born. Some time pairings don't yield results. Fingers crossed that she doesn't.

[Tommytradix]

id rather see her drop a healthy litter than drop a few slugs and end up dead due to impaction. either way good luck!!

[Pythonmdk]

Did anything ever come out of this? Hope the female faired ok, she looks great!

[Speedmark]

Oh, I see I never replied to this thread...
Yeah, she had offspring and they were indeed hybrids.
I think I kept the pictures somewhere. Hmmm gonna need to look for those.

Yesss I found them after some digging.

It was a healthy litter and she did great.
Here they are:
https://nl.pinterest.com/mcmvh/fotos...ndjes-nakweek/

[MNGuy]

Oh, I see I never replied to this thread...
Yeah, she had offspring and they were indeed hybrids.
I think I kept the pictures somewhere. Hmmm gonna need to look for those.

Yesss I found them after some digging.

It was a healthy litter and she did great.
Here they are:
https://nl.pinterest.com/mcmvh/fotos...ndjes-nakweek/

Interesting. Which photos are of the babies as adults?