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    Basilisk (The King of all Serpents) enigma200316's Avatar
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    Re: baby snake head size

    I know there in PA because there on the protected list according to PA game and wildlife, so I don't see why they wouldn't atleast be in some part of NY and it does look a lot like a Short-head Garter to me also......
    Justin

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    Re: baby snake head size

    That thought had occurred to me. The description says divided anal plate. I assume that is the last scale on her belly before her tail starts. She does not have a divided anal plate. It looks like she is a garter with a short head rather than a short headed garter.
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    Re: baby snake head size

    Quote Originally Posted by enigma200316 View Post
    I know there in PA because there on the protected list according to PA game and wildlife, so I don't see why they wouldn't atleast be in some part of NY and it does look a lot like a Short-head Garter to me also......
    OK... I will stop saying it and quote it:


    New York - gartersnake.info
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    Re: baby snake head size

    Yeh I think it's just a matter of genetic diversity rather than sexual dimorphism. My departed male T.s.concinnus has the same head shape as your green T.s.pallidulus. Which I must add is absolutely gorgeous!!!!! Oh and T.brachystoma is in north western PA and south western NY.



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    Re: baby snake head size

    I think it's an eastern....shortheads are normally the brownish color of the one in the pic, never heard of any variation in color on them....

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    Basilisk (The King of all Serpents) enigma200316's Avatar
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    Re: baby snake head size

    That is true I haven't heard of any variations either.....
    so I'd have to agree...
    Justin

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    Re: baby snake head size

    If the anal plate isn't divided it isn't brachystoma.
    James.

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