Pairings for 2013

[Greg'sGarters]

And to all of you all who think that these Narcisse garters are no different than the rest, you're all wrong!

You have to see it to believe it...

You should start a thread about the ones from your Narcisse bloodlines. I'm very interested to see.

[thamneil]

I really mean to start a thread featuring my collection! I couldn't take a good picture if my life depended on it unfortunately! I'll see what I can do though.

[Greg'sGarters]

What do you think I should name these Northern Garters if I can start a good bloodline?

[ConcinusMan]

Here's a novel idea: How calling them "red-sided garter snake"

[thamneil]

I wouldn't be sure if you could really create a specific line from two individuals of unknown lineage. They dont really look dramatically different from the everyday parietalis.

[Greg'sGarters]

Here's a novel idea: How calling them "red-sided garter snake"

I'd be better off just selling them as Northern Garters. They look different than the Red-sideds you find in the central USA, which are more popular than the Northerns, so if I put them up for sale as a Red-sided and someone expected something with more red, they might be a little angered when they saw these.

[Greg'sGarters]

So you guys think just Northern Garters?

[thamneil]

These arent "Northerns". These are red-sided garters, T.s.parietalis. Calling them anything else is pointless and frankly, wrong. Anyone buying this subspecies should be aware that they vary in color.

[Greg'sGarters]

Tons of these WC red sides end up in Europe every year sold as "northern garter" . Makes me wonder how many die before they even make it to market over there.

Your "Narcisse Phase" are what gets called "Northern Garters" in the UK pet trade.

These arent "Northerns". These are red-sided garters, T.s.parietalis. Calling them anything else is pointless and frankly, wrong. Anyone buying this subspecies should be aware that they vary in color.

Just going off of what I heard. If they are simply Red-sided garters, no regional pattern involved, so be it. As it stands right now they will just be sold as Normal Red-sideds.

[ConcinusMan]

I just think it would be as meaningless as calling them "striped phase"