Is this a thamnophis sirtalis parietalis

[gazzamann]

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Here's a few more hope these help I have come to terms it's a ribbon just not sure which 1 . Cheers

[guidofatherof5]

The thread I linked will give you and idea of the photos needed to do a scale count.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/gene...-counting.html

[gazzamann]

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Is that any better also what's possibly that on left side of mouth could that be mouth rot ? Thanks

[guidofatherof5]

Not infectious stomatitis - mouth rot. Could be a retained upper labial scale. They tend to pull the lip up. Your photos are better but I can't get an accurate count.

[gazzamann]

Could it possibly be aThamnophis sauritus sackenii ?

[guidofatherof5]

Could it possibly be aThamnophis sauritus sackenii ?

According to "The Garter Snake - Evolution and Ecology page 250, T. s. sackenii has 8 supralabials (upper-labials).

I count 9 supralabials on your snake.

[indigoman]

Yes, the sackeni has 8 supralabials where as the sauritas has 7.

[guidofatherof5]

Yes, the sackeni has 8 supralabials where as the sauritas has 7.

Would you verify my supralabials scale count, please.

[gazzamann]

I count 9 right to the tip of the nose but I thought you didn't count last 1 at its the InR internasorostal contact p.s I just purchased a copy of the garter snakes evolution and ecology from amazon still getting the hang of it tho lol thanks for the replies guys

[gazzamann]

Do you count the 1 on the end (the nose if you like)? Thanks