Orange Phase Eastern Garter. Is it a dominant gene?

[Philminator]

Basically it means you're going to see color variations within a population, or even within a single litter. The orange likely isn't the result single allele (gene) and therefore is neither dominant, codominant, or recessive. Those terms are for when a certain color or trait is the result of a single point gene. (allele)

Polymorphism: The Northwestern Gartersnake (Thamnophis ordinoides) - Diamondback Trading Cards

thanks your explanation was easier to understand than the wiki one lol

[Philminator]

My wild female is very late ,it's been since mid march since she was with the male!!Wild snake are giving birth right now....my female is one month late!!!something is going on!!She is very big!!!???

I'm excited for you It will happen soon 3 of my 4 garters have given birth within a day of each other. My orange is my last one left and she's the biggest of them all. I'm no expert but I'm sure she's ok.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

It actually totally depends on what kind of orange we are talking about. If we are talking about the brilliant flaming orange that easterns can have on the sides of their necks that fades as you go down the snake, then that would be q kind o polygenic thing that will just appear randomly on some or all off the babies. It intensifies as they grow but is often apparent that they have some even when they are newborns taking their first meal, when their neck gets stretched out you can see it.

If we are talking about "flame" orange where there is either an orange stripe running down the body and belly, or the entire lower half of the snake is orange, that will also show itself in the first generation but it's not always apparent right at birth. In red flames you can usually spot those at birth, but the orange ones usually take time to grow into their orange like Charles said. It's not unheard of to find orange-flame-types, not as hard as Ito s to find red ones. Either way, the gene is definitely not recessive meaning there is no such thing as het for flame, and I would not consider it codominant either because when you breed a flame to a normal you get a whole range of color, from a couple that are amazing to some that have only hints of red or orange... This points to red and orange easterns being polygenic (meaning a couple different traits will influence the snakes color, which ends up giving you more randomized and many different "grades" of results) as opposed to being a single point mutation.

[Philminator]

It actually totally depends on what kind of orange we are talking about.

I'll have to get you a picture when I can but pretend it's a yellow stripped garter snake common eastern and everywhere on the snake where it would be yellow it's orange except for the top stripe which seems to be more of a yellow but the face, sides ect from head to toe is orange.

[Philminator]

Here's a few pics of her, she doesn't look orange but believe me when I tell you in person and next to my other easterns she's very orange. My camera is making me look like a liar lol I almost took pics of my other yellow ones so you could see the difference.

PS view below one post to see a much more accurate picture of her colour

[ConcinusMan]

Nice looking snake

[Philminator]

Nice looking snake

Thanks I fixed the picture so that it's more accurate to how it looks in person. Here it is because those other ones posted look nothing like an orange snake.

[Mrs N1ntndo]

I dont know much about Garters but I know more now then a few weeks ago thanks to everyone on here . I dont know what the phases thing means that everyone talks about...sorry. But I do know this, Pheobe is an eastern garter (pic link in Sig) but she had orange/red on her side and I say it that way cause it depends on how shes turned or whatever to make it look orange or red. But anyway she had 23 babies and some where different shades of tan and some looked just like Pheobe except there markings stand out more. They have only shed once and that was the one right after birth. But you can almost see a little differnce in them all. some of the baby pics are in the link also .

[Philminator]

I dont know much about Garters but I know more now then a few weeks ago thanks to everyone on here . I dont know what the phases thing means that everyone talks about...sorry. But I do know this, Pheobe is an eastern garter (pic link in Sig) but she had orange/red on her side and I say it that way cause it depends on how shes turned or whatever to make it look orange or red. But anyway she had 23 babies and some where different shades of tan and some looked just like Pheobe except there markings stand out more. They have only shed once and that was the one right after birth. But you can almost see a little differnce in them all. some of the baby pics are in the link also .

I see your Phoebe but no babies have any pics of them

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

That type of orange is the second type I was talking about, where the actualy body is colored orange. very cool, the babies are probably going to come out looking normal, hang onto those suckers though because some will probably change!