found this on kingsnake

[RZL36]

So is there a substantive difference between a minnow and a goldfish?

If there is, I think I may have misrepresented my point. I have never fed goldfish before, but rosy red minnows work like a charm. Great for getting them onto pinks.


So do think there is a difference, James (or anyone)?

[adamanteus]

Rosy's are great....they don't contain Thiaminase, whereas goldfish do.

[ssssnakeluvr]

rosies are minnows....goldfish are in a different family...make great pets but lousy food for garters.

[RZL36]

Thanks guys. I had no idea. I thought rosies were just baby goldfish. Sorry

[adamanteus]

No probs, Rich. I think goldfish belong to the Carp family....anyone?

If anyone has never witnessed the effects of thiamin deficiency, let me just outline a few of the symptoms.....
At first the snake looks well and continues to put on weight, but the movements appear impaired. The snake seems 'clumbsy' and will fall over for no apparent reason. As things progress, forward movement is accompanied by a strange spiralling of the body, so that sections of the belly are uppermost as the snake crawls. Later, the snake will twist itself into tight coils and knots, and suddenly convulse. The muscle tension can be so great that I have seen Garters prolapse large sections of the gut.

Although Thiaminase prevents the synthesis of calcium in the body, this does not show as poor bone formation, as you might expect. Obviously calcium is needed by the motor system of the snake. Death results long before bone deformity becomes apparent. It must be incredibly painfull.

Trust me, you don't want to see your snakes go through this. Never use fish containing Thiaminase. There are so many safe alternatives.

[anji1971]

Yes, goldfish do indeed belong to the carp family. Don't know the scientific name -- that stuff is for you guys!! But I do know that they are related!

[enigma200316]

Yes, goldfish do indeed belong to the carp family. Don't know the scientific name -- that stuff is for you guys!! But I do know that they are related!

yes Goldfish are in the Carp Family, they are close cousins..........
Golfish(Carassius auratus) so there ya go..........

[enigma200316]

oh and a rosy-reds are in the Carp Family, but I'm not sure how they do that,but any way a Rosy is actually a color phase of a FatHead Minnow(Pimephales promelas) so theres that one also...................

[Charlet_2007]

ive been feeding my garter toads well sence there isnt any now that fall and winter is here, i was like man where do i find toads at? then today I was feeding my T's crickets and thought hey what if i put crickets in there with the garter? He loves them!!! im so happy that i don't have to find toads now.....

[garterking]

ive been feeding my garter toads well sence there isnt any now that fall and winter is here, i was like man where do i find toads at? then today I was feeding my T's crickets and thought hey what if i put crickets in there with the garter? He loves them!!! im so happy that i don't have to find toads now.....

No offense, I've never heard of them eating crickets. You must have a rare one.