breeding garters

[Tommytradix]

no there is no anery eastern. Easterns are not normally red so an eastern in their natural form is anerythristic but we dont call normals anerythristic

how do you explain flames and erythristics then? in canada flames are all over even here in new jersey i have caught flames. erythrism is very common in easterns

[BUSHSNAKE]

flames and erythristics are morphs...a flame or an erythristic eastern without the red is just a normal eastern, if all easterns looked like those then maybe there would be anerythristics...have you ever seen an anery eastern?...i haven't, can you even picture one in your head? albinos dont have red, you have to add it

[Tommytradix]

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[Tommytradix]

they were found in 2008

[Albert Clark]

Just throwing out there that there IS a third morph of checkereds: pastel! I think someone was working on crossing pastels with granites, but I never found out what happened with that.

That person was Jeff Benfer , aka "the garter snake morph". What became of that was pastel het granite checkered. I understand both he and Scott have since stopped working with the granite checkered morph altogether. Sad because the granite, imo, is a beautiful morph. Peace.

[Jeff B]

That person was Jeff Benfer , aka "the garter snake morph". What became of that was pastel het granite checkered. I understand both he and Scott have since stopped working with the granite checkered morph altogether. Sad because the granite, imo, is a beautiful morph. Peace.

The granite checkered is one of my favorites. I had to slim down my collection, do to time constraints, but I plan to get some again someday to work with. The pastel is a suttle morph.

[Jeff B]

plains are a great garter to start with they are very easy to breed and care for all strains of radix are compatible and the 'christmas' is just an iowa albino bred to a red plains then the offspring were then bred back creating red albinos

Tommy, your statement "all stains of radix are compatible" is not technically correct. The "Iowa strain" albino is a T- and the "Nebraska strain" albino is a T+, just as with most snake species (and other animals too) in which these two types of albinism are present in a species they are NOT compatible. If you breed a pure "Nebraska strain" to a pure "Iowa strain" you will get all normals. This has been proven many times. Confusion can arise now a days because so many times these two types have been bred to each other or hets and possible hets arrise, so there are a lot of radix circulating that are visual for one type but hidden or unbeknown to the owner; het for the other gene.

[Jeff B]

There have been many easterns found that have been labeled "anerythristic", however none have proven to be a simple recessive anerythristic....yet. In my opinion most of them have been more of a hypermelanistic polygenetic variant, similar to how the flame or erythristic works, they are also not simple recessives (one gene-creating a phenotype that is either on or off, with no inbetweeners). Erythristics and flames and most easterns called "anerythristic" pass various amounts of their respective color influence to their offspring, without the predictable heritability of a simple recessive gene, like the albino and melanistic genes.

[Tommytradix]

Tommy, your statement "all stains of radix are compatible" is not technically correct. The "Iowa strain" albino is a T- and the "Nebraska strain" albino is a T+, just as with most snake species (and other animals too) in which these two types of albinism are present in a species they are NOT compatible. If you breed a pure "Nebraska strain" to a pure "Iowa strain" you will get all normals. This has been proven many times. Confusion can arise now a days because so many times these two types have been bred to each other or hets and possible hets arrise, so there are a lot of radix circulating that are visual for one type but hidden or unbeknown to the owner; het for the other gene.

didnt you produce one of each albino from one parent and the rest slugs? i havnt tried to breed the 2 strains but am pretty sure i seen it on your page awhile back. you really do need to update it lol theres alot that has changed in the past couple years lol

[Jeff B]

The way that litter produced one of each type of albino was both parents were at least het for both of the different and NOT compatible albino types. The example you sited the dad was Iowa snow het Nebraska, and mom was Nebraska het Iowa.
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The problem and part of the confusion is because very early on these two albino types were bred to each other to test for compatability, which they were NOT. This produced double hets. Then after many years of breeding visuals of one albino type and het for the other type, there are a lot of visuals (homozygotes) for one type but carriers of one copy of the other gene.

Once you get lower then 50% possible het most people do not even bother to report the possibility, yet some animals may be in fact het for the gene.