Blizzard morph T. radix (plains garter)

[guidofatherof5]

The eyes are perfect. Everything is perfect. They are completely outcrossed is thats what you are groppling at. I havent done a sibling or non-outcrossed breeding in several years and still the people on this forum desperately still try to find any little fault possible just to put my reputation as a quality breeder in question. this is why I rarely post here anymore. In fact the negativity towards morphs on this forum has been so damaging that as of a month ago garter snake morph is no longer a business.

I don't think Wayne was groping at anything Jeff. It was just a question about an issue that sometimes occurs in albino morphs. I'm sure his intent wasn't to malign you or the way you breed your snakes. I can't recall anytime on this forum or in personal conversations where Wayne has spoken ill of you or your business.
I have only seen top quality animals come from you and know you take great pride in how it's done.
If I'm sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong I apologize.

[infernalis]

The eyes are perfect. Everything is perfect. They are completely outcrossed is thats what you are groppling at. I havent done a sibling or non-outcrossed breeding in several years and still the people on this forum desperately still try to find any little fault possible just to put my reputation as a quality breeder in question. this is why I rarely post here anymore. In fact the negativity towards morphs on this forum has been so damaging that as of a month ago garter snake morph is no longer a business.

sorry I even replied...

[infernalis]

I don't think Wayne was groping at anything Jeff. It was just a question about an issue that sometimes occurs in albino morphs. I'm sure his intent wasn't to malign you or the way you breed your snakes. I can't recall anytime on this forum or in personal conversations where Wayne has spoken ill of you or your business.
I have only seen top quality animals come from you and know you take great pride in how it's done.
If I'm sticking my nose in where it doesn't belong I apologize.

Thank you Steve, you are right on target

[Jeff B]

Thank you Steve, you are right on target

Sorry Wayne my response clearly wasn't directed at you. You just struck a nerve and got caught in the crossfire. There is clearly an element of negativity directed towards the morphs on this forum and I'm tired of trying to ignore it and hope they go away. It's time to take out the trash because it's really starting to stink around here. You don't see me bashing normals at every chance...not ever.

[infernalis]

was no intention of striking anyone's nerve, I don't follow nor engage in any morph bashing on this or any other forums.

[chris-uk]

I wouldn't say I bash morphs, I advocate that new keepers look at the diversity naturally occurring rather than focusing on some morph or another, but if someone is interested in a morph that's their choice.
I'd encourage a new keeper to see what interests me with garters, because I love garters and there is so much more to them than colour.
If that's bashing morphs then I'm guilty, if it bothers anyone that morphs seem to lack love on this forum maybe they should advocate their interest.

[Jeff B]

I wouldn't say I bash morphs, I advocate that new keepers look at the diversity naturally occurring rather than focusing on some morph or another, but if someone is interested in a morph that's their choice.
I'd encourage a new keeper to see what interests me with garters, because I love garters and there is so much more to them than colour.
If that's bashing morphs then I'm guilty, if it bothers anyone that morphs seem to lack love on this forum maybe they should advocate their interest.

Yes, I agree with what you say here. However, if the ACTION from the people that spend a lot of time here is: every time someone new comes on here with an interest in morphs, is to immediately steer them away with exaggerations of issues and negative comment toward the morphs and the people working with them. I don't think people fully realize the negative impact that can have on the whole.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Sorry Wayne my response clearly wasn't directed at you. You just struck a nerve and got caught in the crossfire. There is clearly an element of negativity directed towards the morphs on this forum and I'm tired of trying to ignore it and hope they go away. It's time to take out the trash because it's really starting to stink around here. You don't see me bashing normals at every chance...not ever.

Im with you Jeff you dont go around asking to see pictures of the eyes of someones snake, whats the point of that...ignorant rude and nieve!! it does stink around here, i saw Chris say morphs take away the interest in a species and its all about what color can i make my snake or whatever he said...stupid comments, the morphs have alot to do with how popular reptiles are today and i can go on and on. Get real people.

[BUSHSNAKE]

I wouldn't say I bash morphs, I advocate that new keepers look at the diversity naturally occurring rather than focusing on some morph or another, but if someone is interested in a morph that's their choice.
I'd encourage a new keeper to see what interests me with garters, because I love garters and there is so much more to them than colour.
If that's bashing morphs then I'm guilty, if it bothers anyone that morphs seem to lack love on this forum maybe they should advocate their interest.

yeah you do....duh

[BUSHSNAKE]

sorry I even replied...

whats it to you how the eyes look?