Possible red hypo?

[BUSHSNAKE]

And i would bet a million dollars that if he was yours he wouldn't be normal. Lol

lol...ok i did have an eastern that could be called a red hypo that blows yours away and i didnt call it a red hypo:P...ill post pictures for you

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I saw that snake on jason's original thread and it was nice, but im telling you if you saw this snake in person you would see what im talking about. The only way i know to put it is this snake glows. It is red with a goldish colored head, a peach colored belly, and a glowing bluish colored lateral and dorsal stripes.

lol...ok i did have an eastern that could be called a red hypo that blows yours away and i didnt call it a red hypo...ill post pictures for you

[BUSHSNAKE]

it sounds pretty

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

There is nothing wrong with the "normal" label... haha. I don't know why we strive so hard to apply special labels to snakes sometimes.... it's a beautiful animal! Like I said I know of a locale where you can find this exact look. Borderline hypo and all. Even that same exact stripe. In fact Tom also gave me a field collected adult male that looked like this as well. It had a few kinks along it's spine though. Come to PA, and I will take you to a place where you can see more like this one! Also some of them have brilliant, salmon pink bellies. And sometimes I find them like this but without a dorsal. But same idea... weird and pale... no black. The beauty of "normal" thamnophis is that they are rarely normal at all. There is so much variation even within one subspecies, it is amazing. I would be proud to have that snake in my collection. But I would not go crazy trying to label it.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Note that i put (possible red hypo?) in my thread. I'm not sure what to call him at this point. I have lots of normal garter snakes and morphs as well and would never try to put a label on a snake without proving it out. I love normal easterns as that is always what i caught as a kid, but this snake is not a normal. Hypo may not be the right term, but he is something different. I will try to get some better pics of him outside to see if i can capture his true colors. I have seen pics of reddish colored easterns including joe's and this guy looks nothing like them. I hope i can get some better pics that will showcase his colors.

there is nothing wrong with the "normal" label... Haha. I don't know why we strive so hard to apply special labels to snakes sometimes.... It's a beautiful animal! Like i said i know of a locale where you can find this exact look. Borderline hypo and all. Even that same exact stripe. In fact tom also gave me a field collected adult male that looked like this as well. It had a few kinks along it's spine though. Come to pa, and i will take you to a place where you can see more like this one! Also some of them have brilliant, salmon pink bellies. And sometimes i find them like this but without a dorsal. But same idea... Weird and pale... No black. The beauty of "normal" thamnophis is that they are rarely normal at all. There is so much variation even within one subspecies, it is amazing. I would be proud to have that snake in my collection. But i would not go crazy trying to label it.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Note that i put (possible red hypo?) in my thread. I'm not sure what to call him at this point. I have lots of normal garter snakes and morphs as well and would never try to put a label on a snake without proving it out. I love normal easterns as that is always what i caught as a kid, but this snake is not a normal. Hypo may not be the right term, but he is something different. I will try to get some better pics of him outside to see if i can capture his true colors. I have seen pics of reddish colored easterns including joe's and this guy looks nothing like them. I hope i can get some better pics that will showcase his colors.

I did note that. Note that I wasn't accusing you of anything... He IS something different! A different locale! That's what polymorphism is all about I've got some pictures of some wild/collected easterns that would make your head spin! I have a field day finding cool colored thams. 90% of the wild population are plain, drab looking, black, brown and yellow sirtalis. it's finding the other exceptional specimens like this one, that last 10%, that is fun. I already know what you mean by his true colors though because I have seen snakes like this in person... and I agree.... photos don't do them justice. I used to do it too.... then I realized that what I am appreciating, is polymorphism at it's absolute best. I would definitely try and pair it with a female of a similar color and pattern. This look deserves preservation.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I know you wasn't accusing me of anything. Jason has seen hundreds of wildcaught garters from the area where this guy was caught and this was the first one he has seen like this. I have been keeping and breeding all kinds of snakes for years and i know how different locales look different, but all of the snakes he finds in his area makes this one look like an oddball. I plan to breed this guy this year in hopes of producing some more just like him in the future.

i did note that. Note that i wasn't accusing you of anything... He is something different! A different locale! That's what polymorphism is all about i've got some pictures of some wild/collected easterns that would make your head spin! I have a field day finding cool colored thams. 90% of the wild population are plain, drab looking, black, brown and yellow sirtalis. It's finding the other exceptional specimens like this one, that last 10%, that is fun. I already know what you mean by his true colors though because i have seen snakes like this in person... And i agree.... Photos don't do them justice. I used to do it too.... Then i realized that what i am appreciating, is polymorphism at it's absolute best. I would definitely try and pair it with a female of a similar color and pattern. This look deserves preservation.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I have been keeping and breeding all kinds of snakes for years and i know how different locales look different, but all of the snakes he finds in his area makes this one look like an oddball.

Have been in this same boat... I have found some pretty weird looking things that were out of character for their area. The male that Tom gave me was a spitting image of this one... and he had told me a similar thing.... it was an oddball compared to the stuff he normally found.

[Selkielass]

Pretty.
Makes me think of the male I found last summer that I named 'Christmas'. Lots of green and red, reduced brown/ black. He is apparently a normal eastern, just more red and paler than the average around here.
Id love to hear if this low melanin type breeds true. Im allowing christmas and my normal eastern abby a chance to reproduce this spring.
If I get any babies, and they look pale, I will post about them.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Pretty.
Makes me think of the male I found last summer that I named 'Christmas'. Lots of green and red, reduced brown/ black. He is apparently a normal eastern, just more red and paler than the average around here.
Id love to hear if this low melanin type breeds true. Im allowing christmas and my normal eastern abby a chance to reproduce this spring.
If I get any babies, and they look pale, I will post about them.

As long as you selectively breed for it, just about any trait will breed true. Unless you are breeding ordinoes or amazon tree boas. Then you never know just what you might get!!!