Major bummer

[BUSHSNAKE]

A red snow...cool, 1 out of 32 would be your chances of getting a triple morph,i dont think it matters if theyre all recessive traits or a combination of recessive and co dom traits(like the moonglow boa) this is a morph ive had in mind for a couple of years now, looks like your gonna beat me to it...darn it!

[jitami]

Sorry, Jeff, that is a bummer... can't wait to watch your melanistic baby grow, though!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Omg Joe, that's right! I remember talking about that on the phone how you wanted to try and breed that and see what would happen. I hope my pair also turns out het melanistic!!!

[Jeff B]

A red snow...cool, 1 out of 32 would be your chances of getting a triple morph,i dont think it matters if theyre all recessive traits or a combination of recessive and co dom traits(like the moonglow boa) this is a morph ive had in mind for a couple of years now, looks like your gonna beat me to it...darn it!

Even if you call the erythristic a co-dom gene, the calculation is actually 3 in 64 to produce a erythristic snow from this pairing, which would be 2 homogygous recessives (albino and melanistic) plus a co-dom gene (erythristic).
But re-read my post Joe, I don't think it is that simple, because I am not convinced that the erythristic is a single point co-dominant trait, the evidence points more to polygenic inheritance.

[ConcinusMan]

Dang, I can't even wrap my mind around what he just said! ^^^

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Dang, I can't even wrap my mind around what he just said! ^^^

I can! and I agree, erythristic is waaay too unpredictable to be a single point gene.

[Jeff B]

Shannon,
please call me sometime soon when you get a chance, I would like to discuss some things with you and we have played to much phone tag and I would really like to discuss the chicago projects with you among other things, which is why I was trying to get ahold of you in the first place. I have to go into work for a couple hours in the morning (Sat.) and will be at my parents for easter in the afternoon but other than that.
Jeff

[BUSHSNAKE]

Jeff, no one had ever thought of trying to introduce red pigment into a snow morph before, i got the idea of it with the eastern cause theres no anery trait and now your breeding a red radix to your snow radix so you must have some confidence in it no matter what the chances are, anyway im looking forward to see how my idea pans out....GETRDONE!

[Jeff B]

I wouldn't say "no one" ever thought of it before, weather or not they talked about it openly is another thing but either way it hasn't been done YET, so who knows what it will look like, but Scott has crossed flame and melanistic and the melanistic completely masked the red, but who knows what the 3 genes togather will do? Thats the fun of rolling the dice, and hey sometimes you just plain get dumb lucky (like me)and something pops out unexpected too, lol. Joe, I see you called, I'll call you tomarrow, I kinda busy tonight.

[ConcinusMan]

I can! and I agree, erythristic is waaay too unpredictable to be a single point gene.

Not to go off topic or hijack but I would be interested in hearing your theories and speculation on how the heck that population of concinnus limited to a very tiny geographic area, all ended up being hypoanerythristic. I didn't see a single normal snake among them. Doesn't sound recessive, so why such a limited area I wonder? I mean, you cannot deny something interesting is going on when all the snakes in that very limited area look like this, some even more faded and yet, normal snakes dominate the entire region and aren't far away from this population:

Since we already had a thread going Maybe we can continue that conversation in our other thread:

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6665